"Religious People Distrust Atheists as Much as Rapists"

[Shadow Wolf]

That's right its God place. That's why we have God's word to show who is and who isn't Christian.

If it's god's place to judge, you have nothing on which to judge others. And this "word" you bring up, it says do not judge others, as that is something reserved exclusively for god.

You want me to believe that God stands with Atheistism

There is no "atheistism." It's called "atheism."

Therefore Obama can not stand for Atheist and then be against Atheistism.

Jesus stood with those society deplored. And public servants do not get to push their personal beliefs. They serve the public, and Obama served a nation that welcomes and accepts those of all religious faiths, including those with none at all. Being president and standing for American ideals does not disqualify one from being Christian.

 

[shunyadragon]

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Many churches are like that. The last one I went to, the pastor seemed fond out pointing why Methodists and Catholics and Lutherans and everybody else who isn't Baptist is wrong and going to Hell.

Many churches do make exclusive claim in various degrees to claims, but few if any make the the claim that JW claims that the whole world outside JW is under the control by Satan the Devil, and will not enter any other church or house of worship, nor associate in any personal nor intimate way outside JW.

They reject the science of evolution, and reject Theistic Evolution. They believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, but may allow an ancient earth and universe, but this not clear from what I have read recently.

Some Baptists and a few other fundamentalist churches make strong claims, but not on the scale off the JW.

 

[Scott C.]

That's like trying to take credit for something you didn't do. Many things that were considered moral and proper in the Bible are considered immoral and wrong today, such as animal sacrifices, slavery, and even Christians would condemn anyone who thought of dashing infants against rocks. How can it be said that morality comes from god when the morality of today barely resembles what was moral when his book was penned?

I believe that our conscience comes from God. It's the inner desire to help rather than hurt, to lift rather than put down. It's empathy. The voice in our hearts that says "don't do that, that's wrong". I believe that is light from God.

 

[shunyadragon]

I believe that our conscience comes from God. It's the inner desire to help rather than hurt, to lift rather than put down. It's empathy. The voice in our hearts that says "don't do that, that's wrong". I believe that is light from God.

The problem remains there are too many diverse and conflicting beliefs that make the exclusive claims of knowledge or even 'Truth' including your church, to make the claim above to be meaningful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but few if any make the the claim that JW claims that the whole world outside JW is under the control by Satan the Devil

Fundamentalist and Southern Baptists do.

Some Baptists and a few other fundamentalist churches make strong claims, but not on the scale off the JW.

I'm guessing you've never been to a fundamentalist, evangelical, or Baptist congregation.

I believe that our conscience comes from God. It's the inner desire to help rather than hurt, to lift rather than put down. It's empathy. The voice in our hearts that says "don't do that, that's wrong". I believe that is light from God.

One issue with that are mental disorders that leave people impaired in the area of empathy, or just don't have it at all. Myself, having Asperger's, I fall into the "empathy impaired" group. So why would god, if our conscience truly comes from him, have given those like me a hard time with it and leaving us having to take a long detour to reach an understanding (if we reach it at all) that others intuitively get and understand?

 

[shunyadragon]

Fundamentalist and Southern Baptists do.

I'm guessing you've never been to a fundamentalist, evangelical, or Baptist congregation.

I have in fact been to many different churches even snake handling churches in WV, and I have friends in these churches over the years. Yes, they often make strong exclusive claims, but for the most part not on the level JW does.

For the most part the most extreme simply believe their way is the only 'Way.'

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For the most part the most extreme simply believe their way is the only 'Way.'

And teach that science, school, and politics are controlled by Satan, everybody else is going to Hell, and the world is out to get them and prosecute them and force them into denying their faith.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There is no "atheistism." It's called "atheis

Oh there are self-identified antitheists out there, and they fall under atheism but aren't the sum of atheism. To be honest I think they're part of the problem, minority though they may be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh there are self-identified antitheists out there, and they fall under atheism but aren't the sum of atheism. To be honest I think they're part of the problem, minority though they may be.

It was more the idea that saying "atheistism" is on par with saying "creationistism" or "Buddhistism."

 

[Faithofchristian]

If it's god's place to judge, you have nothing on which to judge others. And this "word" you bring up, it says do not judge others, as that is something reserved exclusively for god.

There is no "atheistism." It's called "atheism."

Jesus stood with those society deplored. And public servants do not get to push their personal beliefs. They serve the public, and Obama served a nation that welcomes and accepts those of all religious faiths, including those with none at all. Being president and standing for American ideals does not disqualify one from being Christian.

Having God's word is how to determine on how to judge.
Christ Jesus said , Judge not by the appearance, But judge righteous judgment.

First if Obama is a Christian then he would know that God stands above him, Then Obama would be a servant to God and then Obama would line himself up to God's ways and not of his own ways.

For Obama to serve, First Obama would serve God then serve the nation and bring Himself in Accordance to God.

Obama can not be a Christian and support the abominations that God is against.

If Obama is a Christian, then he would stand for Christian morals and values.
You can not say your Christian and set aside the Christian faith.

Being a Christian, Means you do not set aside being a christian, But stand on being a Christian first and above all.
Obama served no one, but himself.

 

[shunyadragon]

Having God's word is how to determine on how to judge.
Christ Jesus said , Judge not by the appearance, But judge righteous judgment.

First if Obama is a Christian then he would know that God stands above him, Then Obama would be a servant to God and then Obama would line himself up to God's ways and not of his own ways.

For Obama to serve, First Obama would serve God then serve the nation and bring Himself in Accordance to God.

Obama can not be a Christian and support the abominations that God is against.

If Obama is a Christian, then he would stand for Christian morals and values.
You can not say your Christian and set aside the Christian faith.

Being a Christian, Means you do not set aside being a christian, But stand on being a Christian first and above all.
Obama served no one, but himself.

As far as I know Obama is a Christian, but it sounds like anyone who does not share your beliefs as to what a Christian is, is not a Christian, which is the unfortunate arrogance of belief that is believed by many churches who have conflicting beliefs, and accuse others as not being believers.

Would you prefer Donald Trump or Roy Moore?

 

[Faithofchristian]

As far as I know Obama is a Christian, but it sounds like anyone who does not share your beliefs as to what I Christian is, is not a Christian, which is the unfortunate arrogance o belie that is believed by many churches who have conflicting beliefs, and accuse others as not being believers.

First it's not my beliefs, It's God what stands to make a person a Christian.

Obama can not call himself a Christian and support the things that God stands against.
A true Christian will stand against those things that God stands against.
A person can not call themselves a Christian and support the Abominations that God is against.

 

[shunyadragon]

First it's not my beliefs, It's God what stands to make a person a Christian.

Obama can not call himself a Christian and support the things that God stands against.
A true Christian will stand against those things that God stands against.
A person can not call themselves a Christian and support the Abominations that God is against.

Please take responsible for your own arrogant beliefs, and it is very very unlikely that God believes exactly as you do regardless. Far too many different churches believe conflicting lines of exclusiveness, and some do not consider you 'Saved.'

 

[Jesster]

I think I found the people who filled out these surveys. They've started appearing in this thread.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For Obama to serve, First Obama would serve God then serve the nation and bring Himself in Accordance to God.

Who's to say he wasn't serving god? You are judging him in a way that only god reserves. You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not a Christian, yet you are acting the role.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Please take responsible for your own arrogant beliefs, and it is very very unlikely that God believes exactly as you do regardless. Far too many different churches believe conflicting lines of exclusiveness, and some do not consider you 'Saved.'

It's not what God believe what I believe, But rather what I know what God believe's to be true.
It doesn't matter what churches will say. What does matter is what God will say, that matters.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Who's to say he wasn't serving god? You are judging him in a way that only god reserves. You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not a Christian, yet you are acting the role.

If Obama was serving God, Obama has a crazy way of showing it.

I Judge Obama according to what he is revealing of himself and by God's word.
If I judge Obama of myself, then my judgement would be false. But I judge Obama by God's word then that judgement is True.
Obama can not serve God and all the while supporting the Abominations that God is against.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

First it's not my beliefs, It's God what stands to make a person a Christian.

Obama can not call himself a Christian and support the things that God stands against.
A true Christian will stand against those things that God stands against.
A person can not call themselves a Christian and support the Abominations that God is against.

If an omnipotent being is against something, and wanted it to be gone, it'd be gone. Most Christians believe God is supporting free will even if it conflicts with what are against God's message for humanity. I could easily see someone who is Christian allowing freedom of choice as part of God's will in their political leanings. I.e. it would not be Christian to many Christians to force other religions out of practicing other religions, even if practicing other religions is not what God wants.
Even outside the obvious fact that what is abominable towards God is not going to be interpreted the same. After all Christians used to believe interracial marriage was an abomination.

 

[Faithofchristian]

If an omnipotent being is against something, and wanted it to be gone, it'd be gone. Most Christians believe God is supporting free will even if it conflicts with what are against God's message for humanity. I could easily see someone who is Christian allowing freedom of choice as part of God's will in their political leanings. I.e. it would not be Christian to many Christians to force other religions out of practicing other religions, even if practicing other religions is not what God wants.
Even outside the obvious fact that what is abominable towards God is not going to be interpreted the same. After all Christians used to believe interracial marriage was an abomination.

There is No interpret of any thing, when its plain and simple.when God states what is Abomination unto him, That's it. Nothing more to be added.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You sound surprised? Do you trust theist?

Do you mean compared to rapists?