Your mindset here is part of the problem.
This is what leads to the infidelity that has the mess we are in.
Religion was made by mankind for mankind.
Either abide the covenant or withdraw from it.
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Religious war is coming to America....
- Thread starter Barrackubus
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This is what leads to the infidelity that has the mess we are in.
Religion was made by mankind for mankind.
Either abide the covenant or withdraw from it.
Old Scratch
Active Member
Nothing new this will be, since religious wars you've already had
The Christians slaughtering the dirt worshipers (aka Indians) you should remember.
Such big juicy & powerful brains you pathetic mortals have been given, yet so few
puny humans ever to use them choose. Such a waste....repossess them We should!
Booowhhahahhahahahah hahahahahahahahah ahahahhaahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahh!
The Christians slaughtering the dirt worshipers (aka Indians) you should remember.
Such big juicy & powerful brains you pathetic mortals have been given, yet so few
puny humans ever to use them choose. Such a waste....repossess them We should!
Booowhhahahhahahahah hahahahahahahahah ahahahhaahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahh!
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yeah, his mindset is the problem. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that you're trying to force your covenant onto people who never agreed to it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Not mockery, observation.
Ok, I'll read it as such. My apologies.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a result of a spirit foreign to the original intent of Christianity that possessed them which resulted in the slaughter of the Indians?
The crux of your logic appears to me as:
"We should take possession of them because we already took possession of them."
Or, is there a 3rd spiritual faction involved here you would like to tell me about?
There you go again twisting my words.
The terms and conditions of the covenant are not difficult to understand.
But, when people decide they can put them aside and make up things as they please, this becomes a rather significant problem.
And, ironically, I'm here advocating that people "read the contract" and you are trying your best to insinuate and project upon me that I'm the one trying to make up something new and get people to follow me.
I am willing and prepared to go to whatever length is necessary to expose you for this devilish tactic.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yeah, because only Satan would point out that the Jewish covenant is to keep being Jewish.
Old Scratch
Active Member
The point is, that a religious war it was. Or would that "wars" be? If Christianity fails by Christians
to be in correct spirit practiced, the practitioners only themselves to blame have. And even today,
you still over religion violent against each other are.
If miserable puny humans do not their brains for betterment use, then repossess them We might.
Perhaps cow brains more appropriate would be.
Hah! Only you puny humans is there!
Your own fate you decide!
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jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
Anyone who accuses, is, by definition, a Satan. More-so when they are adversaries such as in this place of debates.
Would you agree that, someone who falsely accuses is a pretty lousy Satan?
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
To falsely accuse is to be a slanderer, a "Devil". Hence, I believe in The Satan (The Accuser), not The Devil (The Slanderer).
While a devil can be a satan I suppose, a satan will not always be a devil.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Israel is not perfect. No one is. But in an honarable action contest between them and the Arab world they are knights in shining armour. They did not attack their neibors in six wars. Make no mistake, religion is driving this. It may at times take the form of land or revenge but this goes all the waay back to an act of dissobedience by Abraham. Which God said produced a wild *** of a man and his offspring would trouble the off spring of Abraham's promised son. I wil post some interesting stats on Israel. I have no verified them all but have found every one that was challenged to be true so far.
ISRAEL
Statistics:
- Israel is 1/6 of 1% of the land mass of the Middle East.
- Israel is roughly half the size of Lake Michigan, or New Jersey.
- Israels population is ½ the size of metro New York. Only 2% of the Middle East population.
- Israel has none of the valuable resources of Oil, natural gas, or coal that the rest of the Middle East is covered up with.
- Hebrew is the only case in history where a completely dead language was revived.
ACCOPLISHMENT OF THIS TINY NATION
- Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees per person in the world.
- Israel produces more published scientific papers per person than any other nation.
- They have the highest number of scientists and technicians per capita of any other nation.
- They have the highest number of engineers per capita in the world.
- They have the highest number of PhDs per capita in the world.
- They have the highest number of physicians per person of any nation.
- Israel has the highest percentage of its workforce involved in technical areas than any other nation.
- Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation in the world per capita.
- It is the only country in the Middle East where Christian, Muslims and Jews are free to vote.
- It is the only country in the Middle East where women enjoy full political rights.
- They have the largest number of startup companies per capita in the world.
- They have the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies except for the US and Canada.
- Israel has the highest concentration of high tech companies outside Silicon Valley in the world.
- The cell phone was invented in Israel.
- Voice mail began there.
- IBMs first PC had an Israeli chip.
- They developed the first anti-virus software.
- Most of Windows NT and XP were developed in Israel.
- The Pentium 4 and Centrino processors were entirely designed and produced in Israel as well as Pentium MMX Chip technology..
- Israel has the highest number of PCs per person in the world.
- They were the first Middle Eastern country to launch a satellite.
- They have more museums, more orchestras, and read more books per person than any other nation on earth.
- The most unrestricted free Arabic press is in Israel.
- Israel has the worlds finest airline security system.
- Their dairy cows produce more milk per cow by far than any other countries. (I know this isnt that important but I listed it because it reminds me of that scripture that talks about how Israel will be a agricultural star in the end times)
- They have more in-vitro fertilizations per capita than any other nation. And its free.
- Israels $100 billion economy is larger than all its immediate neighbors combined.
- Israel has the highest average living standard of any country in the Middle East. The average income level is more than twice its neighbors in the region even though their neighbors are swimming in oil and they are not.
- Israel was the first country in the world to reject conflict diamonds.
- They developed the first camera small enough to be ingested for medical procedures.
- Im getting bored but there is much more.
WHO IS IT THAT OPPOSES THIS TINY INDUSTRIOUS NATION, ISRAEL
- Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Djibouti, Somalia, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Yemen. These are just the ones that are overtly hostile to Israel and in close proximity.
- They control 13.5 million square km to Israels 20 thousand Km.
- They have 292 million people to Israels 5 million.
- Groups of these countries have started a total of 4 major wars and countless violent actions. To which they lost 100%. After each war Israel returned the vast majority of any land they had conquered. This is unparalleled in history except for the U.S.
- A famous Arab is quoted as saying If the Moslems laid down there arms today there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis laid down their weapons today there would be no Israel tomorrow
- Jews have inhabited Israel continuously for 3,000 plus years. They are the only nation on earth that still speaks the same language, occupies the same land, and worships the same God that it did 3000 years ago.
- There has never been a Palestinian nation, a distinct Palestinian language or culture.
- The Jews have welcomed and incorporated Arabian refugees, but the Jewish refugees in Arabian countries are the only group of refugees in history that have not been accepted in countries which they exist even after three generations.
- Under Jordanian rule Jewish holy sites were systematically destroyed and they were denied access. Under Jewish control all Jewish, Christian, and Muslim sites are preserved and open to anyone to visit.
- On a graph plotting Jewish concessions vs. Arabic violence. After every instance of Israel giving land or concessions there is a spike of Arabic violence. Now the world is telling them to give more of the 1/6 of 1% only to get attacked for the effort.
Amazing Facts About Israel | Culture Rev
Facts
Yemenite Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chronology of Persecution: The Nazi/Arab plots to exterminate Jews
U.S. Intervention In The Middle East
http://www.palgrave.com/PDFs/9780230537644.pdf
There is much more but would not fit.
Use of the word "trouble" is a very appropriate word.
Daniel 12:1 says when Michael the prince stands up that there should come a "time of trouble" to the seed of Jacob.
It isn't a coincidence we as physical Israel (Jews) and spiritual Israel (Christianity) are experiencing a time of trouble where the seed of Ishmael is up front and central in the conflict.
This is on a parallel with Adam's trouble. He was given a paradise and was made in the exact image and likeness of God and was given authority and dominion over the whole creation, but he transgressed and fell into serious trouble. However, Adam is redeemed out of both his physical and spiritual calamity. Unfortunately, there was and now is and shall yet be a significant amount of pain and sorrow that shall come out of all of this "trouble".
In all my research and investigation of this issue, the principle here is "where much is given, much is required". If we as Jews and Christians truly wish to realize all of the promised blessings, we need to pay very close attention to the principles upon which those blessings shall naturally flow and have integrity to them. If we are slothful or if we gloss over what our God expects of us, we should expect the punishments that God said He would perform if we break our covenant with Him.
Deuteronomy 31
29 For I know that after my death ye [the children of Israel] will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.
As I understand it, Ishmael has been given the role of bringing evil upon the Jews and Christians in the latter days. 29 For I know that after my death ye [the children of Israel] will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.
Whether the people of Islam are evil or not appears to be a moot point. They are not who provoke the LORD to anger.
Some may ask what evil have we as Jews and Christians done that provoked the LORD to such anger. I am of the opinion that Michael as Adam stood up and was ordained King as the King of the Father's Kingdom, but even though Jews and Christians were to look for its coming and build it up to their own eternal salvation in Paradise, they instead refused to accept the dominion that was given to Adam and they considered him a deluded fool and rejected Him.
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1robin
Christian/Baptist
I am sure there is merit to what you have said. I am no expert on revelations but I will add to the mix that the description of the anti-Christ system and person lines up very close with Islam. He is said to be a prince of Tyre, Pharo of Egypt, Gog and Maygog, and other Arabian terms. He is a God of fortresses (war), is unconcerned with the desires of women (oppression), and is the system that denies that Christ is he. Every nation Christ wars with in the end is currently Islamic (even former not modern Ethiopia). One things is for certain Israel will win the end be redeemed and it's enemies destroyed. I will not comment further as I am no end times scholar and what I have said is evidenced based opinion.
I think the most helpful tip I can give you is that it teaches you the end from the beginning and that Adam and the Son of Man are the central figures in it. We are literally at the end and at the cusp of a new beginning.
Things are going to boil down to two major divisions in the world.
We are looking at the Millennium coming in right now as the ending and it is also the beginning. We are looking at a new Day 1 when the light and the dark are to be divided. There is the kingdom of the greater light to rule the day and the kingdom of the lesser light to rule the night.
The Father's Kingdom is the "sun" Kingdom. (Celestial)
The Adversary's Kingdom is the "lunar" Kingdom. (Terrestrial)
Neither kingdom is "evil".
God declared that they are both "good".
They each bear dominion over those most suited for their respective programs.
There will be the remnant of the Jews and Christians who come to realize that the solution to their time of trouble is to do just what it says in Leviticus 26 verse 40 to the end of the chapter. In short, to repent.
All who have eyes to see and ears to hear and have received the "good seed" of the Kingdom shall pass through the "time of trouble" in a very humble and penitent state of mind. They will recognize the sins of their fathers and their own sins that brought this calamity upon themselves. They will endure it all and even be comfortable recognizing that God is ultimately who brought these punishments upon them.
But, notwithstanding, they do all they can to repent and hold to the truth they had formerly rejected and seek in every way possible to apply it, despite the very unfavorable circumstances they procrastinated things to. It is these comparitively few individuals who can undergo these trials that shall ultimately receive the divine protection.
It will be thanks to Islam that a sanctified and purified remnant will come forward who will truly take their covenant with the Lord seriously and be able to bring fourth the much longed for Golden Age that the Millennium will be when Adam is redeemed as Christ the Father and regains his throne in victory.
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jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
1robin
Christian/Baptist
A world of lessons can be gained from those words. The world harassed and harrassed the Jews to give up some more of their 1/6 of a percent of the land in the area and give it to the peacefull palestinians. They moved in and then welcomed Hamas and other terrorists. They proceeded to harass the people that gave them the land with hundreds and thousands of rockets. When Israel finally gets tired of it and blows up some stock piles and launchers then the palestinians whine about how evil Israel is to try and get the terrorists to stop shooting them. Pathetic.
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
They killed hundreds of innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip... just plain shot them and tore down people's homes claiming terrorists would be in it... WHEN THEY LIVED IN THEM.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
War is hell. If they don't want to be killed they might consider not shooting rockets at their lethal neibor. It was 90% airstrikes and was not soldiers shooting civilians. I do not know why people assume this happens intentionally all the time. I have studied war of all ages. There is no advantage to be gained from shooting civilians. It always (always) winds up enraging the populous unless complete extermination is a possible reality. Look at Hitler's bombing of London. It just made the English madder. You must make up your mind what happened based on 20 sec sound bites by the liberal media. I saw so many claims of civilian strikes shown to be false that I stopped even considering them. It is Islam terror 101, start some stuff you can't finish and when it goes bad make false claims about how unjust you are being treated by the one they provoked. It has been shown over and over they actually start fights they know they can't win specifically so they can get on the tv and whine and cry to influence people. Apparently it is working on some people judgeing by your comments.