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Religious war is coming to America....

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Considering what America has traditionally been, this is a good thing.
Yeah the shining light on the hill, giving hundreds of billions in foreign aid, and saving the world from tyranny three times is a terrible influence. Find me another country that when they are viciously attacked and must there fore destroy the attackers, but who is benevolent enough to rebuild the coutries that attacked us after they are defeated.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Yeah the shining light on the hill, giving hundreds of billions in foreign aid, and saving the world from tyranny three times is a terrible influence. Find me another country that when they are viciously attacked and must there fore destroy the attackers, but who is benevolent enough to rebuild the coutries that attacked us after they are defeated.

America has always had its own sinister motivations for doing those things, that's just the way it is framed since it won the battles.

A country where hypocrisy reigns supreme; espousing freedom from one side of it's mouth but kicking its minorities in the testicles and exploiting them since the beginning of its inception.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
America has always had its own sinister motivations for doing those things, that's just the way it is framed since it won the battles.

A country where hypocrisy reigns supreme; espousing freedom from one side of it's mouth but kicking its minorities in the testicles and exploiting them since the beginning of its inception.

*cough* dont ask dont tell policy only lifted like 3 years ago *cough*
 

Dingbat

Avatar of Brittania
America has always had its own sinister motivations for doing those things, that's just the way it is framed since it won the battles.

A country where hypocrisy reigns supreme; espousing freedom from one side of it's mouth but kicking its minorities in the testicles and exploiting them since the beginning of its inception.

American History and any Imperial History for that matter is rife with this behavior. Do as I say, not as I do. American history isn't something to be proud of unless one loves slavery, slaughtering ethnic minorities, and indiscriminating bombing campaigns. Though knowing the Evangelical Right as long as you can claim Jesus is riding those bombs it is all good.
 

Donowitz

Member
For the better part of two centuries America has been pacified by the corner churches of various denominational sects of Christian faith, baptist, pentecostal, catholism etc. Even those of us who do not believe in the Christian faith have tolerably watched it without much event.
I have seen in my life the advent of Islamic influence in the United States and I fear that this will cause turmoil for future generations of our offspring. The united states guarentees the freedom of religion or no religion, it is what you want it to be. But some of our islamic groups will not be satisfied in keeping it that way, and this will rub people the wrong way in our country.
We know in Muslim controlled countries, freedom is not a valued commodity, I just read how in one of those far away Muslim states that they are going to put to death an eleven year old girl for burning the Muslim holy book. The religion is geared more towards the silencing of women and virtually not allowing females to have any freedoms at all, I mean have you seen the way they are made to dress?? Making laws to.protect a specific religion as they are written in those far away nations will eventually try and make their ways to our shores. I personally get a bad vibe from all this and in the interests of our American rights and freedoms. For those who feel that this could never happen, I ask this, what happens when you get enough people wanting the same thing, these things are coming to.America and Christians and Muslims will be shooting one another in the streets. The Muslims will.declare it.as.a holy war or a Jihad, when in reality they will be.systematically infringing upon the rights of people who have an American right to refuse that religion.
Before long our children will be singing to Allah or Mohammed, while their parents will be slaughtering one another in the streets. The Qu'ran considers unbelievers as infidels and gives room for such violences to occur justifiably....i dunno about you but I hear the countdown....

Life is cheap in islamic countries. I've been to both Saudi Arabia and Iran (I was actually only 10 feet away when Neda got shot). I saw as the religious police in Mecca first beat with baseball bats then disolved a woman feet first in a huge vat of acid because she had been running home to take care of her sick mother and tripped resulting in her burka falling off and exposing her hair. The only place I have seen worse persecution is perhaps in Chinese-occupied Tibet against the Tibetan monks.

The way the people are forced to live in the muzlim world is truly sickening and frightening. It reminds me of the Spanish Inquistion to be honest.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
America has always had its own sinister motivations for doing those things, that's just the way it is framed since it won the battles.
Yeah we sinisterly made Japan attack pearl harbor and Germany attack every one. We sinisterly saved the world from both of them (one of them twice) and helped people from every nationality along the way. While Japan was enslaving the pacific and raping China we were building hospitals in the pacific and sending aid to China. While Hitler was killing Jews as fast as he could we were sending supplies to the remaining democracies. We rebuilt both Germany and Japan and created a western Berlin so sinister that eastern Berliners would risk their lives to get there. Then we sinisterly lost many husbands and wives to save the world from Stalin's spreading tyranny that killed 15 million of his own people. We are so sinister as to have the greatest health care system in the world, until the socialist wrecks it like europe did. We are so sinister that millions have risked life and limb to get here. We sinisterly removed a tryrant from Iraq that had killed hundreds of thousand of his own people. I was in the military that did this and your diabolical comments are about as completely opposite from the real reason we (soldiers) fought as possible. Then rebuilt it and troops sinisterly ask for toys and goods from home to give the children. We also sinistery gave them the rights to their own oil that you probably think we went there to get. We sinisterly give more in aid than anyone and are usualy the first to help even former enemies. The world could use a lot more sinster acts like these.

A country where hypocrisy reigns supreme; espousing freedom from one side of it's mouth but kicking its minorities in the testicles and exploiting them since the beginning of its inception.
I guess that is why minorities have braved every danger by the millions to get here. Nice sermon. Come off it.
 
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no-body

Well-Known Member
Yeah we sinisterly made Japan attack pearl harbor and Germany attack every one. We sinisterly saved the world from both of them (one of them twice) and helped people from every nationality along the way. While Japan was enslaving the pacific and raping China we were building hospitals in the pacific and sending aid to China. While Hitler was killing Jews as fast as he could we were sending supplies to the remaining democracies. We rebuilt both Germany and Japan and created a western Berlin so sinister that eastern Berliners would risk their lives to get there. Then we sinisterly lost many husbands and wives to save the world from Stalin's spreading tyranny that killed 15 million of his own people. We are so sinister as to have the greatest health care system in the world, until the socialist wrecks it like europe did. We are so sinister that millions have risked life and limb to get here. We sinisterly removed a tryrant from Iraq that had killed hundreds of thousand of his own people. I was in the military that did this and your diabolical comments are about as completely opposite from the real reason we (soldiers) fought as possible. Then rebuilt it and troops sinisterly ask for toys and goods from home to give the children. We also sinistery gave them the rights to their own oil that you probably think we went there to get. We sinisterly give more in aid than anyone and are usualy the first to help even former enemies. The world could use a lot more sinster acts like these.

If you really think those are the reasons America did the things it did you are incredibly naive (I encourage everyone to read "War is a racket" by Smedley Butler) The main motivation was greed and expansion, everything else came after. This nation loves to put on a show for the cameras.

I guess that is why minorities have braved every danger by the millions to get here. Nice sermon. Come off it.

People from lesser developed countries coming to more developed ones? Shocking! The positive things don't negate the negatives inherit withing the system. The real beauty of America is that there is no "American tradition" this country is built on change and the ability to discard such traditions and it is time once again to move on or keep stagnating.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Yeah we sinisterly made Japan attack pearl harbor and Germany attack every one. We sinisterly saved the world from both of them (one of them twice) and helped people from every nationality along the way. While Japan was enslaving the pacific and raping China we were building hospitals in the pacific and sending aid to China. While Hitler was killing Jews as fast as he could we were sending supplies to the remaining democracies. We rebuilt both Germany and Japan and created a western Berlin so sinister that eastern Berliners would risk their lives to get there. Then we sinisterly lost many husbands and wives to save the world from Stalin's spreading tyranny that killed 15 million of his own people. We are so sinister as to have the greatest health care system in the world, until the socialist wrecks it like europe did. We are so sinister that millions have risked life and limb to get here. We sinisterly removed a tryrant from Iraq that had killed hundreds of thousand of his own people. I was in the military that did this and your diabolical comments are about as completely opposite from the real reason we (soldiers) fought as possible. Then rebuilt it and troops sinisterly ask for toys and goods from home to give the children. We also sinistery gave them the rights to their own oil that you probably think we went there to get. We sinisterly give more in aid than anyone and are usualy the first to help even former enemies. The world could use a lot more sinster acts like these.

I guess that is why minorities have braved every danger by the millions to get here. Nice sermon. Come off it.

The Iraqi war killed more Iraqi civillians than Hussien ever did, and the way we kept handling it all meant we set-up the situation for more people to join the enemy by imprisioning so many innocent people.

Also if your not aware of the US track record of opressing minorities I truly feel sorry for you. I can give you many, many examples.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
If you really think those are the reasons America did the things it did you are incredibly naive (I encourage everyone to read "War is a racket" by Smedley Butler) The main motivation was greed and expansion, everything else came after. This nation loves to put on a show for the cameras.
I do not have time for this much unjustified negativity. I am an amateur historian and I specialised in 19th and 20th century military history. You may pick your poison and we can see what the case was. I do not know if it is possible to make statements more opposite from the truth than those you made. I have read transcripts of conversations between FDR and Churchill that demosnstrate in no unclear language our condemnation of England's colonial past. I guess our returning south Korea, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Vietnam, countless islands, Mexico, Iraq, Kuwait, Afganistan, etc....actually helping most including the Phillopines with money and protection to gain their independance from us and maintain it are examples of your rhetorical venom's accuracy. We could have kept every single one if we had any notion at all that lined up with your diatribe.


People from lesser developed countries coming to more developed ones? Shocking! The positive things don't negate the negatives inherit withing the system. The real beauty of America is that there is no "American tradition" this country is built on change and the ability to discard such traditions and it is time once again to move on or keep stagnating.
As we discard those terrible traditions like morality, God in schools or anywhere, and intestinal fortitude we see a much better world of school shootings, exploding teen pregnancy, rampent rates of children born out of wedlock, hyperbolic drug use, having a once stellar reputation around the world become a burning our flags party, and our once premere and unrivalled technical standing erode. Yes, let's get rid of those pesky traditions we are doing just fine. Good night nurse.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
The Iraqi war killed more Iraqi civillians than Hussien ever did, and the way we kept handling it all meant we set-up the situation for more people to join the enemy by imprisioning so many innocent people.

Also if your not aware of the US track record of opressing minorities I truly feel sorry for you. I can give you many, many examples.
I thought you were not talking to me any more. If you can take the heat we can discuss this war if you want.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Wow, what's with the Anti-American circle-jerk in here?

Relax people.

I am not being anti-American, I am being pro-American by being against my government, supposedly ruled by the people, not being okay with the ******** that the federal government has pulled for ages. I'm not even talking about just Iraq or the Cold War, but going so far back as the Civil War. The oppression of minorities in this "land of freedom and equality" has made us often times the laughing stock of the Western World for our backwards ways. I'm just glad I can't claim my state is Red, we are all Democrats more or less in West Virginia as it's been for ages. But nationally even the liberals are lacking and the democrats don't have a backbone it would seem, always caving into the Republican platforms.

To be honest, I'm actually really disgusted by it all. But don't think that voicing my disgust makes me anti-American, I'm a registered voter and I plan to go to that booth this year, and I plan to keep informed, and keep voting locally, State, and Federally as well as keep practicing my First and Second Amendment rights, as well as all of my rights. I'd fight for my country in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't die for my corrupt government. It's a sad thing, but too many soldiers die defending the interests of those looking just to get reelected instead of defending freedom or peace. Too many politicians have blood on their hands, both Republicans and Democrats.

-End Rant-
 
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Photonic

Ad astra!
I am not being anti-American, I am being pro-American by being against my government, supposedly ruled by the people, not being okay with the ******** that the federal government has pulled for ages. I'm not even talking about just Iraq or the Cold War, but going so far back as the Civil War. The oppression of minorities in this "land of freedom and equality" has made us often times the laughing stock of the Western World for our backwards ways. I'm just glad I can't claim my state is Red, we are all Democrats more or less in West Virginia as it's been for ages, but even our liberals are lacking and the democrats don't have a backbone it would seem, always caving into the Republican platforms.

To be honest, I'm actually really disgusted by it all. But don't think that voicing my disgust makes me anti-American, I'm a registered voter and I plan to go to that booth this year, and I plan to keep informed, and keep voting locally, State, and Federally as well as keep practicing my First and Second Amendment rights, as well as all of my rights. I'd fight for my country in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't die for my corrupt government. It's a sad thing, but too many soldiers die defending the interests of those looking just to get reelected instead of defending freedom or peace. Too many politicians have blood on their hands, both Republicans and Democrats.

-End Rant-

I agree with you, if anything that makes you more pro-american than the idiots trumpeting patriotism.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
I do not have time for this much unjustified negativity. I am an amateur historian and I specialised in 19th and 20th century military history. You may pick your poison and we can see what the case was. I do not know if it is possible to make statements more opposite from the truth than those you made. I have read transcripts of conversations between FDR and Churchill that demosnstrate in no unclear language our condemnation of England's colonial past. I guess our returning south Korea, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Vietnam, countless islands, Mexico, Iraq, Kuwait, Afganistan, etc....actually helping most including the Phillopines with money and protection to gain their independance from us and maintain it are examples of your rhetorical venom's accuracy. We could have kept every single one if we had any notion at all that lined up with your diatribe.

We could have but then we would have to deal with all the civil wars and new despots that arise when you take over a country now that they have a common enemy. Better to say you are handing the reigns back over and make sure the new regime is in your pocket when that happens (Africa and south america come to mind)


As we discard those terrible traditions like morality, God in schools or anywhere, and intestinal fortitude we see a much better world of school shootings, exploding teen pregnancy, rampent rates of children born out of wedlock, hyperbolic drug use, having a once stellar reputation around the world become a burning our flags party, and our once premere and unrivalled technical standing erode. Yes, let's get rid of those pesky traditions we are doing just fine. Good night nurse.

If this is the religious war that is coming then I am very scared. America is not founded on any religion it is founded on secular freedoms (that allow for religions) no matter how much you want to ignore it. We could make the world a better place by lobotomizing and using eugenics against those we disagree with too; it comes to about the same thing in wanting to inject your dominionist theocracy into the government.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah the shining light on the hill, giving hundreds of billions in foreign aid, and saving the world from tyranny three times is a terrible influence. Find me another country that when they are viciously attacked and must there fore destroy the attackers, but who is benevolent enough to rebuild the coutries that attacked us after they are defeated.
What of all the democratically elected rulers America has overthrown, the dictators America has helped put into power, the corporations American politicians gave the thumbs up to devastate third world countries, maintaning a military presence where there has not been any fighting for over half a century (such as Japan and Germany), invading countries where American interests have absolutely no business or right, or international policy that pretty much gives the middle finger to everyone except Israel and those who support American wars. And you can always ask a Native American just how friendly and awesome the government is.

Yeah we sinisterly made Japan attack pearl harbor and Germany attack every one. We sinisterly saved the world from both of them (one of them twice) and helped people from every nationality along the way. While Japan was enslaving the pacific and raping China we were building hospitals in the pacific and sending aid to China. While Hitler was killing Jews as fast as he could we were sending supplies to the remaining democracies. We rebuilt both Germany and Japan and created a western Berlin so sinister that eastern Berliners would risk their lives to get there. Then we sinisterly lost many husbands and wives to save the world from Stalin's spreading tyranny that killed 15 million of his own people. We are so sinister as to have the greatest health care system in the world, until the socialist wrecks it like europe did. We are so sinister that millions have risked life and limb to get here. We sinisterly removed a tryrant from Iraq that had killed hundreds of thousand of his own people. I was in the military that did this and your diabolical comments are about as completely opposite from the real reason we (soldiers) fought as possible. Then rebuilt it and troops sinisterly ask for toys and goods from home to give the children. We also sinistery gave them the rights to their own oil that you probably think we went there to get. We sinisterly give more in aid than anyone and are usualy the first to help even former enemies. The world could use a lot more sinster acts like these.
Actually American forces really weren't needed by the time they did get involved with the European front. As for the Pacific, that too you cannot just look at American history books or you will be missing many details and facts. I'm sure all the American-born Asians would share your sentiments as they were being hauled off to concentration camps. And we never had any actual fighting against Stalin; on the contrary for many years, as George Orwell discovered, criticizing Russians was strongly frowned upon because there were apart of the Allied Powers.

I guess that is why minorities have braved every danger by the millions to get here. Nice sermon. Come off it.
Often they come to escape very terrible situations. Today we have Mexican immigrants fleeing a land plagued with violence (as was the case with many Middle Easterners during the early and mid 1990's), the Irish were escaping famine, even many of the early European settlers were escaping persecution. And the dangers they face varies, but I wouldn't quite say it's ever danger by the millions, and not to mention the oppressive discrimination many immigrant groups face when they get here in some cases can be worse than trials of getting here.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
We could have but then we would have to deal with all the civil wars and new despots that arise when you take over a country now that they have a common enemy. Better to say you are handing the reigns back over and make sure the new regime is in your pocket when that happens (Africa and south america come to mind)
The majority of problems we are currently having are because we did not keep the place. We gave the Muslim's in Afghanistan arms and training that enabled them to defeat Russia. They took them and turned them on us for some stupid reason. Are you just going to find some reason right or wrong that allows you to maintain your comfort zone that for some reason assigns the most benevolent (but not perfect) nation in human history with all the world's guilt. No matter how contrary, clear, and accurate a point is that refutes your emotion based stance you simply concock a different explenation that allows you to believe what you want. I usually find that people who do this for some reason believe that Aliens built the Pyramids and the Vanderbuilt's control the world and all other manner of conspiracy. Is that true with you?




If this is the religious war that is coming then I am very scared. America is not founded on any religion it is founded on secular freedoms (that allow for religions) no matter how much you want to ignore it. We could make the world a better place by lobotomizing and using eugenics against those we disagree with too; it comes to about the same thing in wanting to inject your dominionist theocracy into the government.
It was founded by Christian's on Christian values but with the resistance to any government dictating a religion. They were predominantly Christians from England that had a Government that controlled religion. They wanted to keep the religion but reject the control. Without God there is no justification or foundation that makes Lobotomy and eugenics actually wrong. Christianity is the only suffecient foundation for the morality, accountability, and meaning. Even Neitche knew that to kill God was to kill the foundation of everything we hold dear. Without God we are left with moral nihilism. I never made a statement that suggested any kind of governement control or enforcement of religion.
 
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1robin

Christian/Baptist
What of all the democratically elected rulers America has overthrown, the dictators America has helped put into power, the corporations American politicians gave the thumbs up to devastate third world countries, maintaning a military presence where there has not been any fighting for over half a century (such as Japan and Germany), invading countries where American interests have absolutely no business or right, or international policy that pretty much gives the middle finger to everyone except Israel and those who support American wars. And you can always ask a Native American just how friendly and awesome the government is.
The server was busy so it deleted my response for some reason. You are getting the stripped down version. There were 32 plus countries fighting with us in Iraq. Not a single one was Israel. Apparently not as many fingers are given as you would prefer. I don't imagine that a country exists that has not gotten aid from us at some point. If Obama will send the Muslim brotherhood 2 bilion a year then no body must be turned down.


Actually American forces really weren't needed by the time they did get involved with the European front. As for the Pacific, that too you cannot just look at American history books or you will be missing many details and facts. I'm sure all the American-born Asians would share your sentiments as they were being hauled off to concentration camps. And we never had any actual fighting against Stalin; on the contrary for many years, as George Orwell discovered, criticizing Russians was strongly frowned upon because there were apart of the Allied Powers.
I have read enough books on 20th century to sink a battle ship. Both England and Russia would have been defeated without our direct involvement. Russia won because of four things. Stalin shoved people at Germany faster than Germany could reload. They had a superb tank (t-34) which was built on our 5 wheel chassis. They had later on, good aircraft which were based on our designs. We sent them equipment in inconcievable numbers (I have seen the official logistics logs). England won because they were very resilient people. They had great pilots and good aircraft. Radar that we helped build. Ships we gave them. We bore the brunt of the ground combat. We supplied them with the majority of supplies well before we declared war. They had Churchhill. That was WW2. It can very easily be argued that Germany was never militarily beaten in WW1, they were politically beaten when we joined in and they thought it was unwinable. The soldiers felt like they would have one and this was the sentiment that Hitler seized on soon after.


Often they come to escape very terrible situations. Today we have Mexican immigrants fleeing a land plagued with violence (as was the case with many Middle Easterners during the early and mid 1990's), the Irish were escaping famine, even many of the early European settlers were escaping persecution. And the dangers they face varies, but I wouldn't quite say it's ever danger by the millions, and not to mention the oppressive discrimination many immigrant groups face when they get here in some cases can be worse than trials of getting here.
Saying that immigrants were running from something bad instead of running to something good makes no difference. If you read the civil war, you would have known that many men in Irish regiments died fighting in fields in Fredricksburg Virginia that were used to grow the potatoes that were sent to them in the famine. That was the reason they came here and were willing to die in those very fields. Running from something bad makes sence. To risk death to defend a country you do not love does not. Many immigrants that were so thankfull for the opportunity they found here that they willingly fought and died for a country they barely knew. We are well known as the city on the hill even with our faults and even though we are currently under a man that is destroying that. There is no intellectual gymnastics that will ever be able to stain the fact that we are the most benevolent major nation to ever exist in human history.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Christians (and Jews) have all the best weapons.
If we didn't we would not be here. There is a famous saying that goes something like this: If the Muslim's put down their arms there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis put down their arms there would be no Israel tomorrow. There is a world of wisdom in those statements.
 
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