Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

[Anonymouse]

DeitySlayer writes: I think the point Badran is making is that the pictures are excessively insulting and confrontational to peaceful, non-radical Muslims.

The first line drawn that is destined to become a picture of Mohammad could be deemed offensive to some Muslims. Something as harmless as drawing a picture of Mohammad surf-boarding could breed death threats from radical Muslims.
The amount of drawings depicted of the prophet by non-Muslims that Muslims have never seen because these portraits were never commissioned or made public could be seen as a threat not only to the artist but some practicing Muslims as well. Where should we draw the line?

 

[Badran]

The first line drawn that is destined to become a picture of Mohammed could be deemed offensive to some Muslims. Something as harmless as drawing a picture of Mohammed surf-boarding could breed death threats from radical Muslims.
The amount of drawings depicted of the prophet by non-Muslims that Muslims have never seen because these portraits were never commissioned or made public could be seen as a threat not only to the artist but some practicing Muslims as well. Where should we draw the line?

You are keeping it, within the range of radicals. What about other Muslims?

You are not putting them into the picture. I would feel bad if i saw a picture of my prophet. I would feel horrible if i saw a disrespectful picture of my prophet. But i would never make a death threat or any violent reaction about the matter, neither would millions of other Muslims.

 

[Anonymouse]

Badran writes: Surely there is a better way to handle this.

There is a better way to handle this and I think Draw Mohammed Day has clearly paved the way. The battlefield has been set. It is a blank sheet of paper. The weapons of choice are pencils, pens, crayons, charcoals, paint. One can be as peaceful or as offending as one’s nature, imagination and talents dictate.

 

[.lava]

It should be legal to insult anyone or anything.

strangely it is used as propaganda during wars. sure it is legal as long as it serves someone else's aim. so, where were these people 20 years ago? IMO organizing insult, attack and provocation is not nice. i would not support it

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[Anonymouse]

Badlan writes: You are keeping it, within the range of radicals. What about other Muslims?

Fine, upstanding, practicing Muslims never needed the assistance and talents of artists to damage their faith or keep and recognize radical Muslims. If radical Muslims are the concern, the religion needs to take severe measures to weed them out because they are seriously complicating the message and purpose of Islam and turning an organized religion into a very disrespectful, disorganized religion. If Draw Mohammad Day was extended to be an everyday event, the amount of time, talent and resources that any artist contributes could never be as damaging or demeaning to the religion as the existence, reasons and practice of radical Muslims.

 

[Caladan]

I think the point Badran is making is that the pictures are excessively insulting and confrontational to peaceful, non-radical Muslims. This would be analagous to crapping all over crucifixes because the KKK used Christianity to justify their racism. You're offending the entirety of Christianity, including the peaceful, non-radical elements, because of the idiocy of a select few.

I dont think the world is divided into such neat niches of political correctness. there are wide problems today that are involved with religion as a whole. whether it is Christianity or Islam. in my nation there is an endless stream of criticism of religious issues, should we now avoid criticism and rethink a thousand times every statement because we might offend the 'moderates'?
I'm sorry, but the moderates are long overdue to make their own statements on these issues instead of being offended by criticism. one cannot expect atheists or secular society to respect the sacred cows of others, unless we are entering their own home and their own societies. the very nick you chose on this forum is a testament that you yourself have not taken the 'moderates' into consideration.

 

[Sahar]

That aside...

... i've taken a hard line on this issue; one i've expressed in fair detail with only the redress that it's been:

- repeated :if so, deservedly.
- meaningless : an unqualified dismisal, for sure
- disrespectful : as in, my main point

Which brings me back to what i opened with:

You're wrong about this.

Drawing Mohammed is a friggin' terrific idea; so great, that i'm surprised it took this long to make an event of it.

Sorry to say that while it's a radical fringe that provoked it, this was a long time coming;
hurting the "moderate" muslim world really shouldn't concern us any more.

You all deserve this.


That's right. I said it.


Call me hawkish if you like, but you sooo- seriously-deserve to have cartoons drawn about your prophet.

This guy is hilarious!!

 

[Sahar]

I'm just so happy that your last post wasn't in such broken english; in the spirit of this (supposed) international forum were many low functioning english speakers participate, i'm just content that i was able understand you without pointing and gesturing.

Broken English is not an issue in comparison to the serious issues you suffer from, really. Sometimes people with broken English can communicate million times better than those with fluent English who are good at nothing except creating gaps between people through their irrationality, idiocy, hatred and coldness.

 

[Luminous]

I want to draw muhamud...who will stop me? who will be "insulted"? and what if im insulted that you're insulted?

 

[Madhuri]

I want to draw muhamud...who will stop me? who will be "insulted"? and what if im insulted that you're insulted?

Is your desire to draw Mohammad simply to insult? Why else would you want to do it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Questioning religious dogma is just that: questioning religious dogma. It is not hate speech.

One man's "questioning" is another's hate speech. It's all a matter of perspective. I suggest that you try to understand the anger of those whom you would mock/question.
Nothing will ever be solved by giving some people special legal immunity to offensive speech, while making others fair game.

I think it's a logical fallacy to compare questioning or criticizing outdated beliefs to bandying about vile, hate-filled stereotypes about people just for who they are. For example there are people like White Supremacists who spout out their vile attitudes, blaming "the Jew" or "the Negro" for their personal problems, without any evidence whatsoever. That is what I consider hate, because you are hating them for the way they look.

Is there a big difference between the different sources of hatred....appearance, beliefs, gender, nationality? Why excuse one & not the other? Your personal biases are just that.....personal.

However there is nothing wrong with merely criticizing the reactionary beliefs of another person. We should not be so blind as to shy away from cultural criticism of reactionary attitudes, as this a necessary part of a progressive multicultural society.

Would you ban the cartoon "The Boondocks", which mocks American black culture?
(I hope you never get that power....tis a great cartoon.)

 

[YmirGF]

I must say that I have to congratulate the Muslim posters in this thread for the manner in which they have conducted themselves. Well done.

*Waits for the other shoe to drop* (Pun intended.)


What is curious is that the so-called "moderate" Muslims have gone too far on this one. In reality, Muslims are offended that non-Muslims exist at all and there isn't much we can do about that short bequeathing the planet to them and committing ritual suicide.

The problem as I see it is that Muslims are telling us, "Do NOT do this (or you will make us very angry)." So? Get angry. Perhaps the moderates need to get real angry, angry enough to point the mirror at themselves and question the sanity of putting such emphasis on a person who has been dead for 1400 years. Someone that have never met and never known. They adore a legend and that is not particularly wise. If the truth be told, Muslims have made Muhammad into a demigod and literally "hero worship" the fellow and emulate his every action. It is like the millions of little girls (and some boys) who emulate and looked up to Britney Spears or Lady Gaga. My guess is that Muslims are hypnotized by the own dogma and are not even aware that they have taken their "faith" to an unhealthy level, one that generates the kind of blow-back on their personal reality they are witnessing. That blow-back is meant to get their attention.

I am going to predict that if Muslims thought the "Draw Muhammad Day" was incendiary and disrespectful, hang tight, there is more on its way and this is just the first hurdle. Think about it, being offended by a cartoon is pretty darn right petty. Does Islam encourage pettiness? Apparently it does. Then again, a disturbing amount of Muslims have little or no sense of humor about well - anything. And I think that is the crux of it. Islam, in the modern world suffers from the "Rodney Dangerfield Syndrome". It's don't get no respect. Certainly not the respect that it feels entitled to. Perhaps, just perhaps, there are very good reasons for that.

 

[Tanuki]

Islam, in the modern world suffers from the "Rodney Dangerfield Syndrome". It don't get no respect.

The US (and to a small degree W. Europe) have an agenda to demonise Islam as with the fall of the USSR there is no longer the threat of immanent attack, and so they created an enemy to make their peoples afraid, in order that they can follow their capitalist and imperialist driven agenda without much protest.

The downside as such is that Islam doesn't get respect as Americans and Europeans (if they are stupid enough to listen to propaganda) are now taught to believe that around the corner a Muslim is waiting to get them!

 

[Revoltingest]

The US (and to a small degree W. Europe) have an agenda to demonise Islam as with the fall of the USSR there is no longer the threat of immanent attack, and so they created an enemy to make their peoples afraid, in order that they can follow their capitalist and imperialist driven agenda without much protest.

Finally! The conspiracy card has been played. Oh, yeah...The US, Germany, Belgium, France, England, Netherlands all have this super-secret alliance of evil.
They hide it behind the false facade of bickering buffoonery, so that the masses & the enemy never suspect a thing.

 

[Tanuki]

It's true. People/Governments always create a bogeyman, whether it be the USSR, Nazis, Muslims, the Jews, Catholics, Protestants! You name it they have been a scapegoat at some point - 'so long as they take our mind off how screwed up our own life and country are!'

 

[.lava]

Finally! The conspiracy card has been played. Oh, yeah...The US, Germany, Belgium, France, England, Netherlands all have this super-secret alliance of evil.
They hide it behind the false facade of bickering buffoonery, so that the masses & the enemy never suspect a thing.

one wonders which one of them have no soldiers in Muslim nations

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[Tanuki]

one wonders which one of them have no soldiers in Muslim nations

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Excellent point

 

[Revoltingest]

It's true. People/Governments always create a bogeyman, whether it be the USSR, Nazis, Muslims, the Jews, Catholics, Protestants! You name it they have been a scapegoat at some point - 'so long as they take our mind off how screwed up our own life and country are!'

Certainly, countries will purposely demonize an enemy. But in this case, it's more that violent Muslims demonized their fellow believers.
It would be natural to have some fear of Islam, given events of late. But I do see that Islam has been systematically dissed by Zionists.

 

[.lava]

I want to draw muhamud...who will stop me? who will be "insulted"? and what if im insulted that you're insulted?

IMO the point is what you would chose to do if you knew this event was organized by certain people just to keep nations seperated and at war with each other and it had nothing to do with free speech at all

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[Revoltingest]

IMO the point is what you would chose to do if you knew this event was organized by certain people just to keep nations seperated and at war with each other and it had nothing to do with free speech at all.

How is it that you know this is their motive? Could it be that you're falsely ascribing this evil motive for the purpose unfairly demonizing Islam's critics?
I prefer the explanation that when any group sets themselves up as pompously pious owners of the one true religion, that they will be mercilessly mocked
for purposes of mirth. You gotta admit....Muslims are an overly serious & humorless bunch.