Report reveals the truth behind the international dupe on Palestinian poverty.

[RocketJSquirell]

Jayhawker - I am not blaming antisemitism - although there is a fair amount of it around here and in the discourse generally. However, if you want to understand what people are saying you have to understand where they are starting from. The baseline of most of the anti-Israel investive and the lies told by the anti-Israel folks traces directly back to the anti-jewish cannards of centuries. Again, facts matter.

 

[Gharib]

Whine less.

Persistently blaming antisemitism for any and every criticism of Israel is as cowardly and dishonest as it is detrimental to the future of the Israeli State.

Yes so true. A lot of people nowadays who do hate Israel and it's government do so because of the crimes committed against the Palestinians, it has nothing to do with antisemitism. But it's always nice to play the victim when criticism starts pouring ones way and far easier to blame others.

 

[Gharib]

Jayhawker - I am not blaming antisemitism - although there is a fair amount of it around here and in the discourse generally. However, if you want to understand what people are saying you have to understand where they are starting from. The baseline of most of the anti-Israel investive and the lies told by the anti-Israel folks traces directly back to the anti-jewish cannards of centuries. Again, facts matter.

Where are the facts??? I don't see any.

Why can't you comprehend the fact that people hate Israel because of what it is doing. Not because of what may have happened in the past. Stop living in the past and take responsibility for your actions and crimes.

 

[Shusha]

Did anyone bother to even read the OP and the accompanying article before trashing Israel and spouting anti-semitism? (And yes, comparing Israel to the Nazis is anti-semitism, as is making comments about "Yahudi").

The OP does not claim that there is no poverty in the territories governed by the Palestinian Authority or Hamas. Clearly there is. (Newsflash: There is poverty nearly everywhere and varying degrees of it).

 

[Shusha]

For the last 25 years or so I have been trying to understand the situation between Israel and the Palestinians. One of the biggest barriers is the near absence of unbiased reports. It just seems to be impossible to find actual information.
I do know that there are worse places to be, and the most dire reports are likely just as biased as yours. But the premise that Palestinian people are living fat on donated money is too farfetched for belief, IMHO.
It would take a lot more evidence.
Tom

Tom, I hear you. Personally, I think nearly everyone on the planet and certainly everyone with access to the internet has an opinion (and a biased one) on the conflict. I think the solution is to read both sides, understand what the biases are and come to your own conclusions. I'm always up for conversation with people who don't have a dog in the fight as it were.

But I would also say that while statistics can be manipulated to suit, they are still in a different category than opinion pieces.

 

[Shusha]

Why can't you comprehend the fact that people hate Israel because of what it is doing.

98% of West Bank Palestinians and 100% of Gazans have been under self-rule for a decade or two now.

What is it, exactly, that you think Israel is doing? Be specific. Give me a list -- a point-by-point summary of each individual item which affects Palestinians. Don't give me generalities. Give me very specific, very relevant points. Tell me what the problem is, why it is a problem, how Israel is responsible, how other parties share responsibility and what you think should be done about it.

 

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[Flankerl]

Showing your true colours??

Asking a Jew whether she's really a Nazi. Classic Lyndon.

 

[Lyndon]

Well a lot of Zionists behave like Nazi's, so its only appropriate to ask!!

 

[Flankerl]

You do realise no one is buying your "innocent questions" anymore, right?

 

[RocketJSquirell]

Lyndon - what do you consider "acting like Nazi's"? Please be specific. I have a few suggestions: 1. forbidding Jews from owning property (the PA does this, as does Jordan and a number of other Arab Muslim countries). 2. forbidding Jews from living within their borders. (the PA does this, as does Jordan, KSA, and a number of other Arab Muslim countries 3. destroying Jewish synagogues and holy places (the PA does this, Jordan did it, as do a number of other Arab Muslim countries). I have a lot more, but lets see what you come up with. O.K.?

 

[Jedster]

Lyndon - what do you consider "acting like Nazi's"? Please be specific. I have a few suggestions: 1. forbidding Jews from owning property (the PA does this, as does Jordan and a number of other Arab Muslim countries). 2. forbidding Jews from living within their borders. (the PA does this, as does Jordan, KSA, and a number of other Arab Muslim countries 3. destroying Jewish synagogues and holy places (the PA does this, Jordan did it, as do a number of other Arab Muslim countries). I have a lot more, but lets see what you come up with. O.K.?

Blind haters cannot deal with facts.
Don't waste too much time on these people.

 

[Lyndon]

You're right, that's why I don't waste too much time on Zionists.

 

[Jedster]

You're right, that's why I don't waste too much time on Zionists.

I am never sure what people mean by the word Zionist; you are clearly a Jew hater that uses that word.

 

[Shusha]

I find it ironic that people who passionately support the Palestinian right to self determination and sovereignty over territory seem to have a problem with "Zionists".

 

[Lyndon]

Oh brother, everyone that opposes Zionism is and anti semite jew hater, yeah right, you have a Jewish anti semite posting in this thread even by that criteria.

 

[Shusha]

One can not oppose Zionism while supporting the Palestinian cause without being hypocritical.

 

[Lyndon]

Believe it or not a lot of Jews in Israel not only support the Palestinians right to statehood, they oppose Zionism.

 

[Gharib]

It's due to their terrorism. You can't simply support the Palestinians because you feel like it. In order to support something you need to have something that you are against. In this case it is the suffering that Zionists cause on Palestinians. It is a different matter if someone hates Jews just for being Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Believe it or not a lot of Jews in Israel not only support the Palestinians right to statehood, they oppose Zionism.

No Jews oppose Zionism. A tiny percentage oppose the timing and conditions required for the expression of Zionism. Which is altogether a different thing.

Meantime, talk to me about how you can oppose self-determination for one group while supporting it for another and not be a hypocrite.