Republican candidates?

[Shadow Wolf]

Not as far as I know.

BTW, if you and I robbed a 7-11 store and got caught, about how long do you figure it would take before we saw a judge and was sentenced?

How much money you have? Any chance for release on your own recognizance?

 

[Orbit]

Aah yes, the FFA, the Future Farmers of America. I am very familiar with them. You must have been working in this part of it:

See Something Say Something

www.ffa.org

My secret is safe with you.

 

[Riders]

The orange man won't allow it. He will implode taking many repubs with him.

By orange man I assume you mean Trump?

 

[SomeRandom]

I was there/here doing photography! I live in Charlottesville and have the full context of all that happened!

Politico says you need the context of the full speech which you can read here.

Within the (2) sides there were "good people", that is people who were protesting NOT causing violence. But there were also violent ANTIFA and white supremacist's within the crowds who fought.

I mean, I can only respond to what I see. But I’ll take your word for it, since you were apparently there
I have no real horse in this race

 

[Watchmen]

Why place any blame on Democrats? What do you suggest, Democrats be more corrupt so they appeal to citizens who are attracted to corruption? How about questioning the conservative base and their values?

What is extreme about democrats? The extreme on the right is lack of accountability, anti-science, anti-freedom such as reproductive rights and gender identity issues and voting rights, and extreme gerrymandering as we see in Alabama as tge republicans ignore a SC order to redraw congressional maps

What positions on the left do you think are extreme?

In no particular order:

Insisting “men” can get pregnant.

Being unable to define what a “woman” is.

Taxing. Taxing. Taxing.

Weakening law enforcement.

Abolishing ICE.

Being openly anti-Semitic.

Defending people like Ortega and Castro.

Promoting Medicare for All.

The Green New Deal.

Overarching student loan forgiveness.

Reparations.

And so on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In no particular order:

Insisting “men” can get pregnant.

This is not looking good. Starting with transphobia on your part is a very very bad sign. I know that you do not understand this but why not just apply the standard of "don't be a richard" to everyone?

Being unable to define what a “woman” is.

See above.

Taxing. Taxing. Taxing.

Sorry, but we have to pay for the services that the government provides. Trump all but guaranteed our latest hiccup with his excessive spending without taxation. Did you know that the deficit was going down under Obama, once the economy began to recover? Trump started deficit spending again. That can help the economy on the short run but harms it on the long one. You should know that bills always come due and it is usually better to pay them sooner than later.

Weakening law enforcement.

I agree that that is a problem.

Abolishing ICE.

That has not happened and it is a rather fringe group that is advocating that?

Being openly anti-Semitic.

Since when? You may be confused here. Being for justice in Israel is not being anti-Semitic. I do not know how else they would be anti-Semitic. If anything that sounds more conservative to me than liberal.

Defending people like Ortega and Castro.

Again, more fringe groups. You might as well be repeatedly bringing up the Bad Boys and other extremist right wing groups.

Promoting Medicare for All.

That might be a good idea. You should realize that our medical system sucks compared to Europe. They have better medical coverage at far lower prices to the populace. Yes, you pay for it in taxes instead of through insurance. What is the difference? You have to pay either way. That is just right wing ignorance.

The Green New Deal.

That has not passed. And are you aware that AGW is a fact? Again, it is far far far easier to fix now than later. That should also help the infrastructure of the country immensely. It should have been a conservative project.

Overarching student loan forgiveness.

Okay, some want too much. But our education system needs an overhaul too. We need more emphasis on jobs that do not require college. There is a dire need for machinists and other skilled workers. We cannot manufacture here if we do not have the people trained to work in modern factories.

Reparations.

Again, a more fringey idea. Throwing money at a problem will not solve it. Reparations would just be a huge waste and I think that most politicians, left and right, realize this.

And so on.

Your list is not nearly as big as you think that it is. Unless you want all Republicans to be classified as racist science deniers.

 

[F1fan]

In no particular order:

Insisting “men” can get pregnant.

I've never heard anything remotely like this. I suspect this could be far right wing disinformation which tends to misrevresent actual issues. Maybe you can cite the actual policy since I don't watch right wing disinformation.

Being unable to define what a “woman” is.

What you really mean is that democrats support the freedom for people struggling with gender identity to define who they are so they can live a happier life without condemnation. So you have a problem with freedom? Explain.

Taxing. Taxing. Taxing.

What, do you want a civilization for free? Are you a freeloader? The funny thing is that republicans keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and ignore that the budget problems this causes means fees and local taxes go up, and that affects the middle class and poor much more than the wealthy, who can afford higher taxes. Modern society is expensive, as is modern life. What the right is doing helps the wealthy get richer while the middle class and poor see minimal improvements. How about restoring tax rates on the wealthy and lowering taxes for the middle class? Don't forget, with the debt ceiling crisis even mcCarthy couldn't find much to cut, so what other option do we have? Can you come up with a solution that McCarthy can't?

Weakening law enforcement.

If you mean "defund the police" that means taking some money for police officers and applying it to a crisis team that will respond to emergencies that involve mental health issues. Many police can't deal with these situations and often shoot the citizen, and that can lead to massive costs in paying out lawsuits. Don't you think it is better saving money from lawsuits and investing in crisis teams to save lives and help citizens? Is this an extreme issue to you? Is the right wing solution to mental health crises to kill the citizen?

Abolishing ICE.

This was in response to crimes that ICE was committing against migrants. There were both international and domestic crimes committed, and since the problem seemed institutional one solution was to disband ICE and create a new agency that would focus on helping migrants. As you may not know Texas has been in the news for controversial barriers in the Rio Grande that has led to seruious injuries and deaths of migrants. Does it seem extreme to you to approach dealing with other humans with decency?

Being openly anti-Semitic.

Seriously? More right wing code speak that has nothing to do with what you write here?

Defending people like Ortega and Castro.

I'm not sure how the Democrats do this. More misunderstanding of right wing disinformation media?

Promoting Medicare for All.

So healthcare is an extreme issue on your opinion? Explain why that is extreme.

The Green New Deal.

Ah yes, do you think Global Warming is a hoax? Do you think green energy is an extreme view as the climate goes into more instability due in part to burning fossil fuels?

Overarching student loan forgiveness.

So the wealthy can get tax cuts but average people can't get a break on loans that have a sizable interest rate? Many students were already in college as tuition and fees went through the roof. Let's not forget that one reason that tuition went up for higher ed was because the 2001 Bush tax cuts came before two wars, and to par for the wars there had to be massive cuts, of which included education. So colleges faced massive budegt deficits, and where else would the money come from except sticking students with higher bills and fees? And then charge the borrowers interest and make money off of them. More benefits to the wealthy at the cost to the suckers in the middle class. And democrats are extreme?

Reparations.

This is not a widespread issue, and is not seriously being considered. But your calling this an extreme issue illustrates the right wing contempt for minorities, the poor, and the middle class. Who is really extreme when the wealthy get more benefits that the rest of the citizens?

And so on.

Well, you did not mention a single issue that is extreme. They are mostly moral issues, and it is no surprise that the right opposes them.

What is really extreme is how conservatives are fighting a culture war, much of it anti-American. They are crying about the Barbie movie by noty understanding it is a kids movie. Some conservatives were glad the American Woman's soccer team lost, and even cheered on their opponents. Nice. That's the modern conservative. And you think democrats are extreme?

 

[Shaul]

Incorrect. He's under multiple indictments. And he can be convicted before the election.

No, I had it right. He is not under indictment for rebellion nor insurrection. As was quoted the XIV Amendment reads only convictions of those that "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion" exclude a person from office. Hence the "such as" part of my post. He has not been indicted for such a crime and certainly cannot be convicted of such before the election. A conviction of some other law, which I never said was not possible, is irrelevant for purposes of prohibiting him from holding Federal office, including the office of President.

 

[F1fan]

No, I had it right. He is not under indictment for rebellion nor insurrection.

Not for murder either. Heck, high five!!! Might as well vote for him twice.

As was quoted the XIV Amendment reads only convictions of those that "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion" exclude a person from office.

Jack Smith knows what he's doing. Trump is in serious trouble.

Hence the "such as" part of my post. He has not been indicted for such a crime and certainly cannot be convicted of such before the election. A conviction of some other law, which I never said was not possible, is irrelevant for purposes of prohibiting him from holding Federal office, including the office of President.

The man is corrupt, a criminal, and never was fit for office. Why anyone supports this guy is a worrying thing for the USA.

 

[Shaul]

Not for murder either. Heck, high five!!! Might as well vote for him twice.

Jack Smith knows what he's doing. Trump is in serious trouble.

The man is corrupt, a criminal, and never was fit for office. Why anyone supports this guy is a worrying thing for the USA.

Well, golly, glad to see you are so open minded.

 

[Callisto]

No, I had it right. He is not under indictment for rebellion nor insurrection. As was quoted the XIV Amendment reads only convictions of those that "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion" exclude a person from office. Hence the "such as" part of my post. He has not been indicted for such a crime and certainly cannot be convicted of such before the election. A conviction of some other law, which I never said was not possible, is irrelevant for purposes of prohibiting him from holding Federal office, including the office of President.

Every charge against him shows he attempted to rebel against the government, interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and subvert the will of the people with his election fraud scam. He was indicted on Aug. 1 on charges related to the lead-up to the insurrection and the indictment states he "exploited the disruption"... for what purpose would someone try to overthrow an election and encourage his minions to march on the Capitorl if not for rebellion? The only reason he wasn't in the middle of the seditious lot was, contrary to his orders to the Secret Service, they refused to take him over there. So, that's a tissue paper-thin technicality.

Any conviction on any of the charges would disqualify him.

 

[Shaul]

Every charge against him shows he attempted to rebel against the government, interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and subvert the will of the people with his election fraud scam. He was indicted on Aug. 1 on charges related to the lead-up to the insurrection and the indictment states he "exploited the disruption"... for what purpose would someone try to overthrow an election if not for rebellion? The only reason he wasn't in the middle of the seditious lot was, contrary to his orders to the Secret Service, they refused to take him over there. So, that's a tissue paper-thin technicality.

Any conviction on any of the charges would disqualify him.

He has never been charged with rebellion. There is a reason he hasn't. He is qualified to run according to the Law. Whether that suits you or not.

 

[Watchmen]

This is not looking good. Starting with transphobia on your part is a very very bad sign. I know that you do not understand this but why not just apply the standard of "don't be a richard" to everyone?

See above.


Sorry, but we have to pay for the services that the government provides. Trump all but guaranteed our latest hiccup with his excessive spending without taxation. Did you know that the deficit was going down under Obama, once the economy began to recover? Trump started deficit spending again. That can help the economy on the short run but harms it on the long one. You should know that bills always come due and it is usually better to pay them sooner than later.


I agree that that is a problem.




That has not happened and it is a rather fringe group that is advocating that?


Since when? You may be confused here. Being for justice in Israel is not being anti-Semitic. I do not know how else they would be anti-Semitic. If anything that sounds more conservative to me than liberal.


Again, more fringe groups. You might as well be repeatedly bringing up the Bad Boys and other extremist right wing groups.


That might be a good idea. You should realize that our medical system sucks compared to Europe. They have better medical coverage at far lower prices to the populace. Yes, you pay for it in taxes instead of through insurance. What is the difference? You have to pay either way. That is just right wing ignorance.

That has not passed. And are you aware that AGW is a fact? Again, it is far far far easier to fix now than later. That should also help the infrastructure of the country immensely. It should have been a conservative project.

Okay, some want too much. But our education system needs an overhaul too. We need more emphasis on jobs that do not require college. There is a dire need for machinists and other skilled workers. We cannot manufacture here if we do not have the people trained to work in modern factories.



Again, a more fringey idea. Throwing money at a problem will not solve it. Reparations would just be a huge waste and I think that most politicians, left and right, realize this.


Your list is not nearly as big as you think that it is. Unless you want all Republicans to be classified as racist science deniers.

Your post is Exhibit A for “the Left doesn’t get it.” Leading with, “Oh, you’re transphobic and don’t even realize it” further proves my point. And dismissing Left extremists as “fringe” ideas when leftist media bombards us with this stuff all the time. I’m as moderate as they come. I’m the swing vote. Yet it seems you don’t want my vote. That’s fine. I won’t vote Trump, but I won’t vote for a left extremist either. Where are the moderates? Maybe Bill Maher should run. Lol

 

[Watchmen]

I've never heard anything remotely like this. I suspect this could be far right wing disinformation which tends to misrevresent actual issues. Maybe you can cite the actual policy since I don't watch right wing disinformation.

What you really mean is that democrats support the freedom for people struggling with gender identity to define who they are so they can live a happier life without condemnation. So you have a problem with freedom? Explain.

What, do you want a civilization for free? Are you a freeloader? The funny thing is that republicans keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and ignore that the budget problems this causes means fees and local taxes go up, and that affects the middle class and poor much more than the wealthy, who can afford higher taxes. Modern society is expensive, as is modern life. What the right is doing helps the wealthy get richer while the middle class and poor see minimal improvements. How about restoring tax rates on the wealthy and lowering taxes for the middle class? Don't forget, with the debt ceiling crisis even mcCarthy couldn't find much to cut, so what other option do we have? Can you come up with a solution that McCarthy can't?

If you mean "defund the police" that means taking some money for police officers and applying it to a crisis team that will respond to emergencies that involve mental health issues. Many police can't deal with these situations and often shoot the citizen, and that can lead to massive costs in paying out lawsuits. Don't you think it is better saving money from lawsuits and investing in crisis teams to save lives and help citizens? Is this an extreme issue to you? Is the right wing solution to mental health crises to kill the citizen?

This was in response to crimes that ICE was committing against migrants. There were both international and domestic crimes committed, and since the problem seemed institutional one solution was to disband ICE and create a new agency that would focus on helping migrants. As you may not know Texas has been in the news for controversial barriers in the Rio Grande that has led to seruious injuries and deaths of migrants. Does it seem extreme to you to approach dealing with other humans with decency?

Seriously? More right wing code speak that has nothing to do with what you write here?

I'm not sure how the Democrats do this. More misunderstanding of right wing disinformation media?

So healthcare is an extreme issue on your opinion? Explain why that is extreme.

Ah yes, do you think Global Warming is a hoax? Do you think green energy is an extreme view as the climate goes into more instability due in part to burning fossil fuels?

So the wealthy can get tax cuts but average people can't get a break on loans that have a sizable interest rate? Many students were already in college as tuition and fees went through the roof. Let's not forget that one reason that tuition went up for higher ed was because the 2001 Bush tax cuts came before two wars, and to par for the wars there had to be massive cuts, of which included education. So colleges faced massive budegt deficits, and where else would the money come from except sticking students with higher bills and fees? And then charge the borrowers interest and make money off of them. More benefits to the wealthy at the cost to the suckers in the middle class. And democrats are extreme?

This is not a widespread issue, and is not seriously being considered. But your calling this an extreme issue illustrates the right wing contempt for minorities, the poor, and the middle class. Who is really extreme when the wealthy get more benefits that the rest of the citizens?

Well, you did not mention a single issue that is extreme. They are mostly moral issues, and it is no surprise that the right opposes them.

What is really extreme is how conservatives are fighting a culture war, much of it anti-American. They are crying about the Barbie movie by noty understanding it is a kids movie. Some conservatives were glad the American Woman's soccer team lost, and even cheered on their opponents. Nice. That's the modern conservative. And you think democrats are extreme?

Exhibit B.

 

[Callisto]

He has never been charged with rebellion. There is a reason he hasn't. He is qualified to run according to the Law. Whether that suits you or not.

What I stated stands. Deny it if you want, it changes nothing.

Has nothing to do with me, you're the one who argues from personal political bias that's why you think someone else must too.

 

[Shaul]

What I stated stands. Deny it if you want, it changes nothing.

Has nothing to do with me, you're the one who argues from personal political bias that's why you think someone else must too.

What are you blathering about? I have simply stated the facts. Trump is legally qualified to run.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your post is Exhibit A for “the Left doesn’t get it.” Leading with, “Oh, you’re transphobic and don’t even realize it” further proves my point. And dismissing Left extremists as “fringe” ideas when leftist media bombards us with this stuff all the time. I’m as moderate as they come. I’m the swing vote. Yet it seems you don’t want my vote. That’s fine. I won’t vote Trump, but I won’t vote for a left extremist either. Where are the moderates? Maybe Bill Maher should run. Lol

No, no, it really is not. Think about it. Think about the positions you took. You cannot take those positions and claim to be a moderate.

 

[Callisto]

What are you blathering about? I have simply stated the facts. Trump is legally qualified to run.

LOL, project much? How's life on the denial river these days? May want to head back to shore.

 

[Shaul]

LOL, project much? How's life on the denial river these days? May want to head back to shore.

Is Time magazine (no fan of Trump) in denial? Can Trump Still Be Elected President Now That He’s Indicted?

 

[Watchmen]

No, no, it really is not. Think about it. Think about the positions you took. You cannot take those positions and claim to be a moderate.

I absolutely can. That’s how skewed the Left is now. And the Right is a hot mess. There are more extremists in the Right, but your refusal to step back and consider what I’m saying is evidence of the Left’s problem. I am absolutely a moderate. Give me any political quiz or question you want and I’ll prove it time and again.