Republican economic policies working

[Father Heathen]

Wow how far left are you that you place Obama center-right?!? Rofl

How far left am I? I didn't create the political compass, and people's positions aren't just arbitrarily tossed about. FFS, surely you guys can Google it up on your own and do a little reading? Not everything has to be spoonfed to you by Fox News, does it? Do some research, try to view things objectively, and think critically.

 

[Audie]

Well, Madeleine Albright seems to, from a reading of her book "Fascism: A Warning." I happen to think she's an intelligent and courageous woman.

Madeline Albright. Smart equals not intrllectually
honest or correct.

But never mind her.

Street level talk is short sighted,
uninformed, self centered and deeply bissed.

Show me a sign waver who actually could speak
in more detail than "like you know" what "fascim"
or Nazi actually mean stand for or acvomplished.
Good luck.
It is just name calling.

Bush morph into Hitler.
Barak HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim socialist..
Trump is Hitler, has a fascist regime.

It is your country, screw it up all you guys like
with this hyperbolic idiocy.

You will be sorry. I guess I will too, but, I
wont be stuck with it. You guys will be.

Keep it up.

 

[Audie]

AND BTW- GODWIN'S LAW.

It needs to actually be honoured.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Two sides of the same daft coin.

I don't think reaching 20 trillion in debt helped from Obamanomics

I think lifting some of the heavy handed policies of Obama had something to do with it
also about 14% of the GNP is healthcare and the insurance sector supporting that was pretty fragile under Obama

 

[sayak83]

Which GOP/Trump economic policies have caused this success?

Republicans passed an economic bill, if I remeber correctly.
Trump also renegotiated several trade deals.

 

[sayak83]

Which is why the Socialists should never take over the reins of the economy again.

All that damage control Trump had to go through just to get to this point where people can actually get a little relief.

Actually that's not true. Economy was growing under Obama quite well as well. The uncertainties in European Union (Greece etc.) was causing the corporations to not hire and be cautious regarding investment etc.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's a yes or no question. Did he, or did he not?

Your question was, "Did Obama advocate for workers owning the means of production"?

My answer is flat out NO.

He certainly did not not by any virtue of what he casually says to people which pretty much turns out as lies anyways, but rather by the results itself. In other words , the bottom line makes a resounding NO to your question. There. That's it. Do with it what you will.

To elaborate further through example.....

We can turn to 'Government Motors' under guise of a 'bailout' where the government itself acquired actual stock of a privately owned company. We know the repercussions of that when you put socialist policies in play. Let this re-educate you that Obama is a socialist and closet Marxist . Workers didn't acquire the means of production , the government did.

Obama's $25 Billion Government Motors Lemon | Investor's Business Daily

Another educational lesson here....

Barack Obama and the Meaning of Socialism

Socialists stays because that's what it is right now.

 

[Woberts]

Your question was, "Did Obama advocate for workers owning the means of production"?
...
My answer is flat out NO.

Let this re-educate you that Obama is a socialist and closet Marxist .

That makes your second statement a lie.

 

[dianaiad]

God forbid the fascists stay in power!!

Do you have a single clue what fascism IS?

Or is it just the standard "you are somewhere to the right of Mao, so you must be a fascist!" insult?

In fact, in an article in 'Live Science," we find this....after a very solid and sincere attempt to define what 'fascism' is:

The word's prevalence in common vernacular also causes definition problems. "As of now, the term 'fascist' has been used as an insult so much [that] it has diluted the meaning, and in particular the evil nature the word carries," Montague explained.

One thing I noticed about pretty much every definition of fascism is this: the individual should be subsumed into the group: individual rights are not important, and no matter what they start out with, business people end up on the outs with the government, since one aspect of fascism that seems pretty standard is that at some point, the government nationalizes businesses and does it's best to destroy powerful companies/corporations. Utility companies tend to go down first.

Now I don't know about you guys, but the above aspects don't fit conservatives in the USA. They CERTAINLY do not fit Trump, no matter how much you don't like him. I do have a suspicion about the group these things do fit, though.

Interesting how projection is so prevalent in politics.

 

[dianaiad]

Again? When have we ever had an actual socialist in power? I am of course referring to the actual definition, not some goofy one you made up.

And the 'actual definition,' according to you, is what, precisely?

 

[dianaiad]

If you think Obama is a socialist you need to have your head examined!!

Hey. You think that Trump is a fascist.

(shrug)

 

[Woberts]

Interesting how projection is so prevalent in politics.

Indeed. You should probably stop doing it, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That makes your second statement a lie.

You mean it was worse than we thought!? He was secretly an open Marxist and socialite. That just goes to show that you can't trust a Democrat that goes to parties.

 

[dianaiad]

Madeline Albright. Smart equals not intrllectually
honest or correct.

But never mind her.

Street level talk is short sighted,
uninformed, self centered and deeply bissed.

Show me a sign waver who actually could speak
in more detail than "like you know" what "fascim"
or Nazi actually mean stand for or acvomplished.
Good luck.
It is just name calling.

Bush morph into Hitler.
Barak HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim socialist..
Trump is Hitler, has a fascist regime.

It is your country, screw it up all you guys like
with this hyperbolic idiocy.

You will be sorry. I guess I will too, but, I
wont be stuck with it. You guys will be.

Keep it up.

I'm sorry, Audie...but if we go down, you WILL be 'stuck with it.' That's the problem with 'super powers,' y'know? It happened with Egypt, and Greece, and Rome, and Byzantium, and the Mongols, and China and.....

Will we 'go down?" Probably. Perhaps not now. Perhaps we'll last at least as long as Rome...but everybody else has 'fallen," I don't see why we should prove an exception. One thing, though: as happened to the world around those other 'superpowers,' the fall and smash of the USA WILL be something difficult for everybody else to deal with, and you will be 'stuck with it' as much as we will. Not because we are so spectacularly wonderful, but because we're just as human and fallible and stupid as everybody else.

Oh. Just as an aside....did you know that the oldest existing democracy is..er....us? Even England had a sea change back when the reins of power were completely removed from the Royal family. In fact, the USA is in the running for the oldest continuous government in the world, with the exception of San Marino, which can claim to have a government that has lasted for 400 years, without alteration. Other than that?

It's us.

That came as a real surprise to me, when I found out. I have been raised to think of the USA as the 'upstart youngster,' not the 'old man...' but, well....

yeah, unfortunately, you ARE 'stuck with us.' Just as completely as we are.

 

[Left Coast]

Republicans passed an economic bill, if I remeber correctly.
Trump also renegotiated several trade deals.

"An economic bill?" You'll have to be more specific. Lots of bills pertain to the economy.

Which trade deals have been renegotiated in a way that produced these results?

 

[sayak83]

"An economic bill?" You'll have to be more specific. Lots of bills pertain to the economy.

Which trade deals have been renegotiated in a way that produced these results?

The Economy That Wasn’t Supposed to Happen: Booming Jobs, Low Inflation

After more than two years of the Trump administration, warnings that trade wars and erratic management style would throw the economy off course have proved wrong so far, and tax cuts and deregulation are most likely part of the reason for the strong growth rates in 2018 and the beginning of 2019 (though most forecasts envision a slowing in the coming quarters as the impact of tax cuts fades).

In particular, it now appears that recession fears that emerged at the end of 2018 were misguided — especially once the Fed backed off its campaign of rate increases at the start of 2019.

There are even early signs that the tight labor market may be contributing to, or at least coinciding with, a surge in worker productivity, which if sustained would fuel higher wages and living standards over time. That further supports the case for the Fed and other policymakers to let the expansion rip rather than trying to hold it back.

Trump and Republicans have used Keynesian fiscal stimulus through deregulation and tax cuts to fuel the economy. Deficit is not a problem as long as US economy is strong enough to leverage the debt.
‘Trump is the ultimate Keynesian’: America’s booming economy is putting recession talk to bed

The U.S. president flooded an already healthy economy with fiscal stimulus earlier in his term, primarily through his introduction of tax cuts. The spending has further powered the U.S. economy but is also expected to widen the country’s deficit to about US$1 trillion in 2019.

Trump has pushed for even more stimulus by attempting to pressure the Fed into lowering interest rates by a percentage point. In a tweet this week, Trump cited the example of China while arguing that if interest rates were cut, the U.S. economy would “go up like a rocket.”

 

[Enoch07]

Actually, for an observer from outside of the United States (I'm Canadian) that is essentially correct!

For viewers from Canada, Britain, Nordic nations, many European countries, politicians in the US basically all (possible exception of Bernie Sanders and a few other new Democrat contenders) basically all fit within the upper right quadrant of the political spectrum. What you need to do, to really understand American politicians, is to assume that the upper right quadrant is the whole spectrum...then when you remap it that way, you can pretend that some of those that Canada considers to be on the Authoritarian Right might actually seem to other Americans as being more Libertarian Left. But they mostly ain't.

For the record, I've always been about a third of the way to the left (I like capitalism, but want some rules, and want them enforced) and about a third of the way down to "libertarian," which means that I prefer people to be able to make, and live with, their own life choices, and not be bound by arcane notions like personal choices should be curtailed in favour of "fitting in" the whatever the defined culture is supposed to be.

Well I'd say that whoever made Obama center-right is a left wing nut job. Because here is my political compass.

I took that just now about 2 years ago I took it and it was: Economic Left/Right: +1.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62 which is normal for me to have a 2-3 swing basically I am the ultimate centrist. And i can assure you Obama is not more conservative than I.

 

[Enoch07]

How far left am I? I didn't create the political compass, and people's positions aren't just arbitrarily tossed about. FFS, surely you guys can Google it up on your own and do a little reading? Not everything has to be spoonfed to you by Fox News, does it? Do some research, try to view things objectively, and think critically.

Check my political compass on post #57.

Obama is not more right wing than I. Who ever placed Obama as center-right is out of their mind. Because I am center-left.

 

[shmogie]

I've never understood why coal mining gets so much attention, there aren't very many coal miners.

Manufacturing will continue to flee the country until the world's economies become more tightly coupled. (Which might or might not be a good thing.)

The oil industry SHOULD be teetering, if it's true, it's a good thing.

Manufacturing is expanding, coal, a cheap source of energy, is expanding. Oil is no longer hampered by the government, and the US is the number 1 oil producer in the world.

Elimination of an oil based economy without being prepared to do so (the green new deal) will bankrupt the nation.

 

[icehorse]

Manufacturing is expanding, coal, a cheap source of energy, is expanding. Oil is no longer hampered by the government, and the US is the number 1 oil producer in the world.

Elimination of an oil based economy without being prepared to do so (the green new deal) will bankrupt the nation.

Well first off, you're strawmanning the GND.
Second, even if oil was clean, there's not very much of it left. It will last a few decades, it won't last a few centuries.
Third, coal is dirty. It pollutes the air. It exacerbates climate change.

We should move all of our energy R&D dollars into renewable and/or clean energies. Fusion for example. We should stop all the billions of dollars of subsidies we are giving to the fossil fuel industry, and use all those monies to accelerate clean / renewable energy research.