Republican Election plan to subvert the Presidential Election.

[Jayhawker Soule]

I just trying to figure out the goofy mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves that Trump somehow isn't a total piece of garbage.

That is actually a very serious question. Trump is anything but subtle and yet his vote count improved. It reflects a citizenry that is mentally and morally deficient to an uncomfortable degree.

It disturbingly calls to mind Hannah Arendt's observation concerning the banality of evil.

 

[PureX]

I recognized back in the 1980s that the U.S. political system was pretty much a joke. But if that's what the people want, then that's what they get. It's also why I'm not too sympathetic when people complain about the consequences - from either side of the spectrum.

The individual complains, while it's the group that capitulates. I think it's important to understand that.

 

[ecco]

All I am saying is that the knife cuts both ways. I am not saying that the Democrats are wrong... but the Republicans are not wrong either. I am not saying the Democrats are right... but the Republicans are not right either.

Let's look at it this way.

So... what do we have? Both are guilty!

Uh, no. Both are not guilty. First, you posted a whole bunch of things being done wrong by Democrats. Then you ignored my point by point rebuttal of your "facts".

This one is especially galling...

Postal service people throwing out ballots. Finding ballots on the side of the roads.

You heard or read it someplace and accepted it as truth. It would have taken you five minutes to see that this accusation is pure bull****. You didn't bother. You saw something that you thought made Democrats look bad and supported your beloved Trump's ridiculous allegations of problems with mail ballots.

By posting it, you just once again verified the true nature of Trump Supporters.

 

[Nakosis]

Republican Election plan to subvert the Presidential Election.

It is very clear, to me at least. That Trump and the republican party put in place a plan involving the use of election law in the run up to the Presidential election.

This plan envisaged the possible loss of the election. and how to mitigate the result by legal action.

Long before the election. The seeds were sown, by planting the suggestion that postal votes were unsafe. This was reinforced by many of Trumps tweets and speeches, leading up to the election, suggesting that the Democrats were planning to subvert the postal vote system.

This was followed by telling Trumps republican supporters not to vote by post. It was never stated why they should not do so, but only that they should vote in person.

The reason why has since become clear. In that if Trump were to become successful in having many Postal vote invalidated. It would then affect, Democrat votes and voters, far more than his own.

This was the Kernel of his plan.

The second part of the plan entailed arranging for as many objections to be raised on the day of the count as possible, so that they could, subsequently, be used in court, on which to hang objections and legal cases.

This large number of objections was important, so as to try to demonstrate a concerted and widespread plot by the Democrats. And to subvert the election process. This was to include as many objections to the actual count process, and count officials as possible.

A third string in the plan, entailed maintaining a strong majority in the Supreme court. To do this they went all out to fill the fortuitous vacancy before the election. Even though they had rejected the similar case, and had rejected the democrat candidate, offered prior to the previous election.

It is a clear case that Trump and the Republicans intended to subvert the law all along.
And are continuing with that plan right now.

All these stages can be seen to have been used. Though there might still be parts of the plan that have yet to come to light.

Funny thing is last night on FOX news, I heard the same claims being made about the folks on the left.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You heard or read it someplace and accepted it as truth. It would have taken you five minutes to see that this accusation is pure bull****. You didn't bother. You saw something that you thought made Democrats look bad and supported your beloved Trump's ridiculous allegations of problems with mail ballots.

By posting it, you just once again verified the true nature of Trump Supporters.

Bingo!

 

[Twilight Hue]

There you go again, with the hatred of people with differing political viewpoints.

I happen to be a bit to the left myself, and I do not think of myself as a hypocrite. It's not nice to tar whole swaths of people with the same brush.

That is being done to the people on the right all the time here. Apparently its ok one direction but God forbid should there be some reciprocating done likewise.

Your right however, one brush shouldn't befit all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The best side is that which supports the people. I just don't see that from the conservatives.

Well liberals haven't done a good job either if the Obama Biden regime was any indicator.

At least with conservatives, there was some additional money in my wallet I can keep on payday.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The FT isn't happy - and not particularly biased or prone to inaccuracies:

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

PS I managed to read the article for some reason even though it is paywalled.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some good policies, a lot of terrible rhetoric

And terrible behavior.

 

[Father Heathen]

As compared to who?

Compared to basic human decency and ethical standards.
His supporters knelt and kissed his ring only because he paid lip service to their mawkish religious and patriotic sentiments dispite having no actual regard for the values of either, and in turn they turned a blind eye to his horrid performance, character, and conduct.

 

[Kenny]

Compared to basic human decency and ethical standards.
His supporters knelt and kissed his ring only because he paid lip service to their mawkish religious and patriotic sentiments dispite having no actual regard for the values of either, and in turn they turned a blind eye to his horrid performance, character, and conduct.

Ok... so we are now going from one kissing ring to another kissing ring? Are you just as upset?

 

[Father Heathen]

Uh, no. Both are not guilty. First, you posted a whole bunch of things being done wrong by Democrats. Then you ignored my point by point rebuttal of your "facts".

This one is especially galling...


You heard or read it someplace and accepted it as truth. It would have taken you five minutes to see that this accusation is pure bull****. You didn't bother. You saw something that you thought made Democrats look bad and supported your beloved Trump's ridiculous allegations of problems with mail ballots.

By posting it, you just once again verified the true nature of Trump Supporters.

This is precisely the problem. People readily believe and propagate anything that supports their ideology or agenda, regardless of how unsubstantiated or irrational it actually is. They'll even spread **** that they know is incorrect if it makes "the other side" look bad. Honor and honesty mean nothing to them.
Anyone truly on the right side of history wouldn't need to resort to lies.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ok... so we are now going from one kissing ring to another kissing ring? Are you just as upset?

Sit down for this, because this will blow your mind.

Ready?

Liberals don't worship politicians and regard them as infallible messiah figures beyond reproach like conservatives do, but rather as the lesser of two evils. I don't even like Biden. In fact he was my last pick out of all the dem candidates. I know he has a lot of flaws and won't pretend otherwise. He is, however, a vast improvement over Trump.

 

[Kenny]

Sit down for this, because this will blow your mind.

Ready?

Liberals don't worship politicians and regard them as infallible messiah figures beyond reproach like conservatives do, but rather as the lesser of two evils. I don't even like Biden. In fact he was my last pick out of all the dem candidates. I know he has a lot of flaws and won't pretend otherwise. He is, however, a vast improvement over Trump.

Really??

Tighten your belt

Barbara Walter... Obama was suppose to be the next Messiah

 

[Father Heathen]

Really??

Tighten your belt

Barbara Walter... Obama was suppose to be the next Messiah

Of course I meant in general, by proportion. I've never seen any other politician, rep or dem, who has/had a cult-like crowd so uncritically devoted to them like Trump does, which is especially wierd considering he's objectively the worst U.S. president - so bad he makes the second worst (G.W. Bush) look fantastic by comparison.

As for Barbra Walters, she's a disgusting piece of garbage:
Barbara Walters accuses Corey Feldman of "damaging entire industry" with pedophilia accusations

 

[Revoltingest]

Liberals don't worship politicians and regard them as infallible messiah figures beyond reproach like conservatives do, but rather as the lesser of two evils.

Ahem....
Obama

Worship is a common human failing.
Political affiliation does not confer immunity.

 

[Kenny]

Of course I meant in general, by proportion. I've never seen any other politician, rep or dem, who has/had a cult-like crowd so uncritically devoted to them like Trump does, which is especially wierd considering he's objectively the worst U.S. president - so bad he makes the second worst (G.W. Bush) look fantastic by comparison.

As for Barbra Walters, she's a disgusting piece of garbage:
Barbara Walters accuses Corey Feldman of "damaging entire industry" with pedophilia accusations

but you have to admit that you were wrong and that many DID indeed magnify Obama.

 

[Subduction Zone]

but you have to admit that you were wrong and that many DID indeed magnify Obama.

Many did, but I do not think that there was anywhere near the TDS that the right has for Trump.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's only "subversion" when the other side uses the legal system to pursue its goals.
Despite all the sky-is-falling hand wringing, the system will survive Trump & Biden.

But I wonder if even you won't admit that what is happening right now is putting the system in very real danger. The Republican party establishment has obediently fallen into line -- people who are supposed to be leaders in government are actively participating what is right now a very real fraud. Can that be good for the nation?

Trump seems to be settling in for a long fight. Canadian journalist Andrew Coyne wrote in an op-ed piece today that he is "ordering his officials not to co-operate with the Biden transition team, firing his Secretary of Defence, instructing the Department of Justice, via his attorney-general, to look into allegations of voter fraud. And we are still 10 weeks from Inauguration Day."

Trump is not trying to win in the courts -- even he knows that's not going to happen. This is all about the base -- persuading tens of millions of Americans that their bedrock institutions are corrupt and everybody's lying to them. A Morning Consult poll shows faith in the system among Republicans is falling fast, from about two-thirds in late October to barely a third this week. Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair

Destroying half the nation's faith in the system is hardly the best way of making sure the system survives.

 

[Kenny]

Many did, but I do not think that there was anywhere near the TDS that the right has for Trump.

You could be right.... I don't the updated vote on that.