Response: Do you think that Donald Trump is a Christian?

[Lyndon]

I am not American Evangelical, but I support Trump because he seems to be anti-war and pro-life. I don’t think he is perfect, but not many are. And I think actions matter more than words. Hypocrite “Christian” who speaks beautifully is no good, if he does and supports evil things.

you just described trump

 

[Sand Dancer]

As we said in another thread, Trump is a fake Christian, someone who calls themselves a Christian, but doesn't follow or believe in Christ at all.

So are many of his followers, sadly.

 

[InChrist]

That's one thing that I find very off-putting about christianity; that character and conduct are ultimately meaningless and the only thing that matters is being a member of the club.

Being a member of the club is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is one honestly acknowledging their sinfulness and believing and trusting Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation.

 

[InChrist]

Q: Do you think that Donald Trump is a Christian?

Based off of the evidence I've found online, I believe it's safe to say that Donald Trump is no where close to being a Christian. I've listed four main points that support my argument with evidence below each point.

Another Thought: Despite the overwhelming evidence against Donald Trump not being a Christian, why do American Evangelicals still support him?

Here is the full video report that brought up some valid points on why Evangelicals support Donald Trump. Why Do Evangelicals Support Donald Trump?

Four reasons why I believe
Donald Trump is not a Christian
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A. Sexual Immorality



Over 20 sexual misconduct allegations, including rape from his ex-wife have been made against Trump. A tape recording of Donald bragging about all of his sexual assaults surfaced but he still denies it. He later dismisses the footage as just being "Locker room talk"

B. Personal Integrity


Because Donald Trump lies so obsessively, his critics are unable to keep up with them. Trump is barely able to finish one lie before he starts another one. His lies are so blatantly obvious that even his supporters make no effort in defending them.

C. The Need For Forgiveness


This one I found to be the most compelling out of all the evidence to support that Donald Trump is not a Christian.

In an interview, Trump was asked if he had ever asked God to forgive him of his sins. Here is his response:

"If I do something wrong, I think I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I take... you know, when we go in church and when I drink my little wine--which is about the only wine I drink and have my little cracker, I guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness."

His total lack of humility towards God and the death of His Son on the cross is unpardonable. There is no salvation for someone who cannot acknowledge their need for forgiveness.

D. The Bible


In one interview, Trump made the claim that the Bible was his favorite book but when he was asked to reference just one verse in the Bible, he refused to give one. Here is his response:

"I love the Bible. It is the greatest book of all time." -Donald

"I'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite Bible verses are and why." -Reporter

"I wouldn't want to get into it, because, to me, that's very personal." -Donald

Are you an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy?" -Reporter

"Uh, probably.... equal." -Donald

Based off of his response it is unlikely that Donald Trump understands the difference between the Old and the New Testament

On the surface I would not conclude that Trump is a Christian, but I think only God knows.

 

[metis]

How about his supporters? Would the same hold true for them?

(Particularly now, after seeing his track record over the last 4 years)

I can't in due conscience answer that question with any stereotypical response because there's more than one reason why some supported Trump even though there were clear-cut signs of his gross immorality during the 2016 electioneering process. In some cases it was undoubtedly due to ignorance on certain matters. In some cases it was putting emphasis on some priorities over others, which may be attributed to what I believe are errors in judgment. There can be emotional responses, such as with my own son who was really upset with the ACA because he just missed the cut-off whereas he couldn't afford it. He also suffers from bipolar disorder, which played into this [he all too often flies into fits of depression and/or anger, and they can linger]. Etc.

As one whom is at least somewhat familiar with the various forms of mental illness, and also one whereas I taught a course in psychology for Chrysler Corp. employees under Iaccoca's program, I do believe there's sufficient evidence to conclude that Trump suffers from a form of mental illness, thus what we frequently see him saying and/or doing is probably not fully under his own control. Obviously, without a clinical diagnosis that I'm not trained for anyway, I realize I'm walking on thin ice, but we here in Michigan are sorta used to that.

 

[metis]

The only thing that matters is one honestly acknowledging their sinfulness and believing and trusting Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation.

But Trump doesn't appear to do that. However, ^^see above^^.

 

[Quiddity]

The Crusaders who pillaged weren’t Christian either.

Pope Alexander VI who had no problem even burning Catholics at the stake wasn’t Christian either.

This is absurd. Christians can and have done horrible evils, this isn’t innovative or shocking to anyone.

Why some feel the need to take Trumps Christian card away because of his policies or choice of words because it makes them feel better at night or because he is a mean orange man is......umm…..dumb.

Especially when they afford those outside their faith far more care and well thought out discernment.

They simply don’t like the man. We all know this.

 

[1213]

you just described trump

Sorry, I don't think Trump supports evil things.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I can't in due conscience answer that question with any stereotypical response because there's more than one reason why some supported Trump even though there were clear-cut signs of his gross immorality during the 2016 electioneering process. In some cases it was undoubtedly due to ignorance on certain matters.

I'm talking about 2020, though.

Whatever questions there might have been in 2016 about what sort of President Trump was going to be, now we have 4 years of his track record to judge him against.

In some cases it was putting emphasis on some priorities over others, which may be attributed to what I believe are errors in judgment. There can be emotional responses, such as with my own son who was really upset with the ACA because he just missed the cut-off whereas he couldn't afford it. He also suffers from bipolar disorder, which played into this [he all too often flies into fits of depression and/or anger, and they can linger]. Etc.

But for many (most?) Of Trump's supporters, they voted for him in 2020 with clear minds, full knowledge, and deliberate consent.

If Trump's actions over the last 4 years demonstrate to you that Trump isn't a Christian, why wouldn't Trump supporters' action of endorsing 4 more years of this also demonstrate that they aren't Christians?

As one whom is at least somewhat familiar with the various forms of mental illness, and also one whereas I taught a course in psychology for Chrysler Corp. employees under Iaccoca's program, I do believe there's sufficient evidence to conclude that Trump suffers from a form of mental illness, thus what we frequently see him saying and/or doing is probably not fully under his own control. Obviously, without a clinical diagnosis that I'm not trained for anyway, I realize I'm walking on thin ice, but we here in Michigan are sorta used to that.

It would depend on the specifics of course, but if Trump has a mental illness, wouldn't that factor into the moral character of his actions... and, presumably, whether they're compatible with him being a Christian?

 

[InChrist]

But Trump doesn't appear to do that. However, ^^see above^^.

I agree, that’s why I said I don’t see Trump as a Christian... but God alone knows his heart and motives and is the final Judge.

 

[InChrist]

If Trump's actions over the last 4 years demonstrate to you that Trump isn't a Christian, why wouldn't Trump supporters' action of endorsing 4 more years of this also demonstrate that they aren't Christians?

No, it doesn’t demonstrate they aren’t Christians. Most Christians who vote for Trump are not voting for a pastor or a “Christian” President, but a political leader who will be the lesser of two evils and who will institute policies that most line up with God’s word and the Constitution.

 

[Riders]

To me he seemed to trick Christians. After all that bleh about his bus incident talking about assaulting women he realized he was losing Christians and that would be a big loss to him.

So he said he asked for forgiveness that God have forgiven him and he asked Jesus into his heart. That was convenient and I don't believe a word.

He also walked around his yard saying I am the chosen one as if he were God. I trully think Trump thinks of himself as God.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, it doesn’t demonstrate they aren’t Christians.

I agree. I was talking about what I saw as an implication of what @metis was saying.

While I agree that it would be entirely fair to consider Trump evil (and I would also extend this to most of his supporters, which @metis seems reluctant to do), I don't have any contradiction in an evil person being a Christian.

The reasons I think that Trump isn't a Christian are all to do with the fact that he doesn't seem to care about the religion at all. They have nothing to do with his moral character, awful as it is.

Most Christians who vote for Trump are not voting for a pastor or a “Christian” President, but a political leader who will be the lesser of two evils and who will institute policies that most line up with God’s word and the Constitution.

I have no doubt they believe that. Nobody's the villain of their own story.

Anyone whose own moral sense is so distorted that they think Trump's racism and fascism is "the lesser of two evils" have probably also manufactured a racist, fascist God for themselves to tell them that they aren't supporting evil.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't care if the President is of any religion. I want someone who is good at the job.

 

[metis]

I'm talking about 2020, though.

Whatever questions there might have been in 2016 about what sort of President Trump was going to be, now we have 4 years of his track record to judge him against.


But for many (most?) Of Trump's supporters, they voted for him in 2020 with clear minds, full knowledge, and deliberate consent.

If Trump's actions over the last 4 years demonstrate to you that Trump isn't a Christian, why wouldn't Trump supporters' action of endorsing 4 more years of this also demonstrate that they aren't Christians?


It would depend on the specifics of course, but if Trump has a mental illness, wouldn't that factor into the moral character of his actions... and, presumably, whether they're compatible with him being a Christian?

I will just repost what I said previously and just leave it as this: "Since Jesus' main message was love of God and neighbor, I simply cannot conclude that Trump buys into that, thus I have to answer "no", sorry to say. His last two pastors both say he's never attended even one service."

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Democrats displayed their contempt for Americans. This is the second joke they plated on America. First oe was Clinton and she lost, the second one was Biden and he barely scraped a win.

If the very best they could find is Biden, that says a lot for their party.

He's not going to fare well representing America on the world stage.

 

[Muffled]

I believe that is what I have heard. It certainly would be a big change fro his previous life. If he is, he is a baby christian and we tend to cut them a little more slack.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I will just repost what I said previously and just leave it as this: "Since Jesus' main message was love of God and neighbor, I simply cannot conclude that Trump buys into that, thus I have to answer "no", sorry to say.

And likewise, I can't conclude that anyone who voted for Trump, knowingly and clear-headedly - especially this time around - loves their neighbour either. If we're going to use that as the test for who's a Christian and who isn't, then a surprisingly large number of sincere Christians aren't Christians at all.

His last two pastors both say he's never attended even one service."

Now that speaks to why I don't think he's a Christian: he doesn't seem to really care about Christianity.

 

[Muffled]

I thought christianity was someone who takes up jesus christ as their lord and savior and forgiven of their sins without "deeds" having a play in one's salvation (one being christian)?

I believe all the previous deeds are washed away by the blood of Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

There’s an Eastern Orthodox saying that the worst sinners think they are the greatest saints, but the greatest saints know they are the worst sinners.

I believe in thinking the way God thinks and neither of those fits His thinking.