RF's on Islam

[Notanumber]

Most Muslims I know (like most people I know full stop) are nice and friendly people.

To your face maybe, but how can infidels trust anyone that follows an ideology like Islam.

 

[Kirran]

To your face maybe, but how can infidels trust anyone that follows an ideology like Islam.

I have several longstanding Muslim friends. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are not deceiving me on this front.

 

[Notanumber]

Give Islam your children and it will change society within 10 years.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

And Muslims follow Islam, so

But not all Muslims follow Islam to the same degree & in the same way. Some are devout through charity work; some through study, interpretation & application of Sharia law in society, some through fighting & killing in Allah's name and some are a mixture of these & more.

You seem awfully determined to paint Muslims as a homogeneous block for all non-Muslims to hate so that you can complain we all hate you. Why is that?

 

[Kirran]

But not all Muslims follow Islam to the same degree & in the same way. Some are devout through charity work; some through study, interpretation & application of Sharia law in society, some through fighting & killing in Allah's name and some are a mixture of these & more.

You seem awfully determined to paint Muslims as a homogeneous block for all non-Muslims to hate so that you can complain we all hate you. Why is that?

And some Muslims are devout while having theologically liberal views regarding the Qur'an, too!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Many Muslims hate Jews. There are Jews who hate Christians. There are Christians who hate Hindus. There are Hindus who hate Muslims. Where are you going with this?

It seems you're happy with this code

I don't get it. What was the point of editing the post this way? What are you trying to communicate?

No I wasn't.

Okay, fair enough. I jumped to an unfounded conclusion here. That's my mistake.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Criticism and scrutiny does that equal "Islamophobia".

Of course it does ya filthy racist!!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't hate any, but I hate those who hate the others for no reason.
I won't hate people for what they believe.

So how do you react when people hate others because their beliefs lead them to that conclusion?

 

[FearGod]

But not all Muslims follow Islam to the same degree & in the same way. Some are devout through charity work; some through study, interpretation & application of Sharia law in society, some through fighting & killing in Allah's name and some are a mixture of these & more.

You seem awfully determined to paint Muslims as a homogeneous block for all non-Muslims to hate so that you can complain we all hate you. Why is that?

Do I understand that you don't blame Islam but some bad Muslims who used Islam as an excuse for their bad deeds.

 

[FearGod]

I don't get it. What was the point of editing the post this way? What are you trying to communicate?

I was kidding, I saw you using the strikethrough code several times and I don't see it
to be needed to express your opinion in excluding the Hindus.

Okay, fair enough. I jumped to an unfounded conclusion here. That's my mistake.

No problem.

 

[FearGod]

So how do you react when people hate others because their beliefs lead them to that conclusion?

It can't be, for example the prophet in a written letter said that those who kill the Christians
for their beliefs will be my enemy in the hereafter, also he used to warn the soldier not to kill
any child, any woman, the elderly and even not to destroy any establishments including the one
of nature such as the trees ..etc, do the terrorists choose who to kill when killing the civilians
which include women and children, no and no, they don't follow Islam and they don't follow the message of the prophet.

 

[Kirran]

It can't be, for example the prophet in a written letter said that those who kill the Christians
for their beliefs will be my enemy in the hereafter, also he used to warn the soldier not to kill
any child, any woman, the elderly and even not to destroy any establishments including the one
of nature such as the trees ..etc, do the terrorists choose who to kill when killing the civilians
which include women and children, no and no, they don't follow Islam and they don't follow the message of the prophet.

What about idol-worshippers?

 

[Sakeenah]

To your face maybe, but how can infidels trust anyone that follows an ideology like Islam.

 

[FearGod]

What about idol-worshippers?

God said he's the one who will punish us according to our beliefs, he didn't say that Muslims
should kill and punish people according their beliefs, otherwise why the test then.

 

[Kirran]

God said he's the one who will punish us according to our beliefs, he didn't say that Muslims
should kill and punish people according their beliefs, otherwise why the test then.

Well I think that's at least a somewhat healthier view than seems concerningly common. If you had a child who decided to leave Islam and become Hindu, Neopagan, Buddhist or something else, would you be like 'Cool, as long as you're finding fulfillment, only God can judge'?

 

[Jedster]

To your face maybe, but how can infidels trust anyone that follows an ideology like Islam.

It is easy to say that if your only experience of 'knowing Muslims' is religious/political forums on the internet. I might feel the same if I didn't know Muslims in real life for most of my adult life. That includes having Muslim friends in Israel and, believe it or not, in the Israeli army.
The fact is that most people are nominal in their religion & politics and just want to get on peacefully with their lives, wherever they live.

 

[FearGod]

Well I think that's at least a somewhat healthier view than seems concerningly common. If you had a child who decided to leave Islam and become Hindu, Neopagan, Buddhist or something else, would you be like 'Cool, as long as you're finding fulfillment, only God can judge'?

Of course I don't care for what my child choose to be, my job is to advise him/her,
the uncle of the prophet was an idol worshiper and he died of being so, but still the
prophet was loving his uncle and he begged that his uncle to be forgiven and God sent the verse
to the prophet that his job is to spread the message and not for turning people to be Muslims.

 

[Cephus]

Do I understand that you don't blame Islam but some bad Muslims who used Islam as an excuse for their bad deeds.

I certainly blame Islam. The bad stuff is demonstrably in there, just like it is in the Bible. But individual Muslims (and Christians) ignore the parts they don't like and adopt common social norms over their stated religious beliefs and create various sects of the religions that are not, necessarily, violent. That doesn't stop the religion from being awful, only the people who choose not to follow the awful parts.

 

[Notanumber]

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They are only following what is in their guidebook.

 

[Notanumber]

It is easy to say that if your only experience of 'knowing Muslims' is religious/political forums on the internet. I might feel the same if I didn't know Muslims in real life for most of my adult life. That includes having Muslim friends in Israel and, believe it or not, in the Israeli army.
The fact is that most people are nominal in their religion & politics and just want to get on peacefully with their lives, wherever they live.

They are only following what is in their guidebook.