RF's on Islam

[FearGod]

He was noting how you were protesting hatred of Muslims but not protesting hatred of anybody else.

He was saying Hindus don't hate Muslims, maybe he thinks Hindus has nothing to do
with the Abrahamic beliefs.

 

[Kirran]

He was saying Hindus don't hate Muslims, maybe he thinks Hindus has nothing to do
with the Abrahamic beliefs.

I think this is a misunderstanding due to language barriers. That is not what he was saying. There are definitely Hindus who hate Muslims. I have met some myself. AGS is well aware that there are.

 

[FearGod]

You tell us.

There are verses of the Qur'an that specifically direct Muslims to mistrust, to refuse association with, and even to kill and torture Jews and Christians (if they had the opportunity to convert to Islaam and refused it). How do you deal with them?

What would be a proper way for dealing with them?

Which verses?

 

[FearGod]

I think this is a misunderstanding due to language barriers. That is not what he was saying. There are definitely Hindus who hate Muslims. I have met some myself. AGS is well aware that there are.

Maybe he can clarify his point for saying Hindus hate Muslims is a wrong assumption.

 

[Kirran]

Maybe he can clarify his point for saying Hindus hate Muslims is a wrong assumption.

*sigh* - @A Greased Scotsman - are there any Hindus who hate Muslims, you reckon?

 

[FearGod]

Good to know the Ummah has you on hand to read the unbelievers' minds so your brothers & sisters know precisely what we're all thinking about them, huh?

Actually they know, except if they're stupid

 

[FearGod]

Please don't put words into my mouth. I said that some Muslims hate Jews. This is obviously the case, there do exist Muslims who hate Jews. There exist Sunnis who hate Shi'ites, there exist Wahhabis who hate Sufis, there exist Christians who hate Muslims, there exist Sikhs who hate Hindus, every group will include some prejudiced people. Don't try and make these into sweeping statements, it's dishonest.

And that's wrong, hating others for what religion they chose is unfair, you blame some
Muslims of being wrong for doing it while you do the same "I don't mean you"

 

[columbus]

know there are verses like this in the Bible too. I'm disgusted with the Bible and the Koran
There is too much in the Koran and violent lifestyle of Muhammad and the early Muslims that fuels extremism.

This is what I see as the fundamental problem with Abrahamic religions. They are based on the beliefs and doings of ancient warlords(or more accurately the legends about such). As a result there are tons of nasty ethics to be found, if that is what a believer is looking for.
So from the Crusades to Daesh, and many other horrible things, anybody can find justifications for their evil behavior in the Scripture. It goes on all across the Muslim and Christian world all the time.
Tom

 

[Kirran]

And that's wrong, hating others for what religion they chose is unfair, you blame some
Muslims of being wrong for doing it while you do the same "I don't mean you"

Yeah, it's unfair to hate people on account of their religion. You seem to be accusing me of something but I can't figure out what it is.

 

[Notanumber]

Why not an option F) I would leave but would be afraid for my life?

 

[Flankerl]

What an amusing thread, we've now reached "random Islamic Video to bash the kuffar"-time.

 

[icehorse]

This is what I see as the fundamental problem with Abrahamic religions. They are based on the beliefs and doings of ancient warlords(or more accurately the legends about such). As a result there are tons of nasty ethics to be found, if that is what a believer is looking for.
So from the Crusades to Daesh, and many other horrible things, anybody can find justifications for their evil behavior in the Scripture. It goes on all across the Muslim and Christian world all the time.
Tom

To add to this perspective, I'd say that there are many fine people who identify as members of Abrahamic religions. But for the most part, I think they are fine people in spite of their religion, not because of it. I think these people bring good morals with them into their religion and this allows them to cherry pick those aspects of their religion that hold up to modern morals. Seems like religion is mostly unwieldy baggage at this point, but there you go.

 

[FearGod]

What an amusing thread, we've now reached "random Islamic Video to bash the kuffar"-time.

What a pity!

 

[Kirran]

I wonder how many Muslims find it as difficult as some posters here clearly do to think of non-Muslims as having anything but bad intentions. It is a real shame. But I have only found such sentiments among the online Muslim community, Muslims I know IRL aren't like this at all.

 

[FearGod]

I wonder how many Muslims find it as difficult as some posters here clearly do to think of non-Muslims as having anything but bad intentions. It is a real shame. But I have only found such sentiments among the online Muslim community, Muslims I know IRL aren't like this at all.

It seems you know how all Muslims behave.

 

[Kirran]

It seems you know how all Muslims behave.

No, not at all. There are 1.6 billion Muslims and so there are lots of different ways they behave. Most Muslims I know (like most people I know full stop) are nice and friendly people.

 

[FearGod]

No, not at all. There are 1.6 billion Muslims and so there are lots of different ways they behave. Most Muslims I know (like most people I know full stop) are nice and friendly people.

Good to know.

 

[Kirran]

Good to know.

How many non-Muslims do you really think hate Muslims?

 

[Vinayaka]

'Hate' as a concept appears more quickly for some than for others. For some, it basically never enters the picture, but for others you can say, 'I'm indifferent' and the person will respond, 'So you hate me!' Some days I think saying that you are 6 feet tall or you like strawberries would be 'conclusive evidence' that you have hate running through your veins.

I think many of us here on RF are taken aback when accused of hate. I know I am.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I object to the term "islamophobe". A phobia is an irrational fear, but it can hardly be irrational to fear suicide bombers.

I cannot say I hate Islam or that I respect it. On the whole I despise it, but I acknowledge that there are many virtuous Muslims. I would contend, though, that they are virtuous despite their religion rather than because of it.

It's also necessary to make distinctions with in the religion. As far as I can see, all the violence emanates from the Sunnis. The Shias don't do jihad, as they've generally been on the receiving end. Ahmadis seem particularly decent, which is probably why they're so persecuted by the Sunnis.