Richard Dawkins Facepalms at Deepak Chopra

[Rick O'Shez]

Any claims unsupported by logic, reason, or evidence are nonsensical. That's pretty much the category unto which your claims fall.

It's just a random series of groundless assertions.

 

[Runewolf1973]

It's just a random series of groundless assertions.

Yah, that sounds more accurate.

 

[godnotgod]

Any claims unsupported by logic, reason, or evidence are nonsensical. That's pretty much the category unto which your claims fall.

Nature itself is non-sensical. Otherwise, science would have been able to 'explain' it all by now. Fact is that it is more a mystery than ever, with theories abounding. Get it through your head: Logic, Reason, and Analysis are all attempts at ENCAPSULATION via concept, of something that cannot be so encapsulated.

The mystical view, OTOH., is consistent and unvarying. Why should it change? The nature of Reality does not change. It is always the same. Only appearances change, and you are attached to them in your silly little theory of 'interaction', which tells us zilch.

 

[godnotgod]

It's just a random series of groundless assertions.

Was the Buddha's Enlightenment a series of groundless assertions too? After all, he could not back any of it up with any evidence whatsoever.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, we've sorted it all out quite nicely. Time for a nice cup of tea.

Yup, folks! We've succeeded in driving a square peg into a round hole. Job finished. We got the dead universe pegged and stuffed into a jar of formaldehyde. Next!

NOT!

 

[godnotgod]

Yah, that sounds more accurate.

Gimme my blankee!

 

[Runewolf1973]

Nature itself is non-sensical. Otherwise, science would have been able to 'explain' it all by now. Fact is that it is more a mystery than ever, with theories abounding. Get it through your head: Logic, Reason, and Analysis are all attempts at ENCAPSULATION via concept, of something that cannot be so encapsulated.

The mystical view, OTOH., is consistent and unvarying. Why should it change? The nature of Reality does not change. It is always the same. Only appearances change, and you are attached to them in your silly little theory of 'interaction', which tells us zilch.

You are completely deluded. The sciences have been overwhelmingly successful. Logic and reason brought us out of those caves, out of the dark ages. What has the mystic view done for humanity? Nothing!

 

[godnotgod]

You are completely deluded. The sciences have been overwhelmingly successful. Logic and reason brought us out of those caves, out of the dark ages. What has the mystic view done for humanity? Nothing!

He as pointed out the true nature of Reality and of the self, something your science has failed, and will forever fail to do.

Overwhelmingly? Is that why we now see a bumper crop of lawsuits in the medical field, both for surgery and drugs? Is that why the earth is pretty much polluted, and why we continue to seek war instead of peace, not able to feed the world while we race for strategic military position in space under the guise of 'space exploration'? I'll tell you what is overwhelming: it is selfish, ignorant mankind as Big Ape running around brandishing Big Dangerous Toys to murder and control with. And its all because he has almost no understanding of who or what he is, nor of the world he lives in, that nourishes and sustains him 100%, and which he, like those others of your materialist ilk, regard the universe as a dead artefact, that can be manipulated by science and technology for selfish aims.

The quiet voice of Higher Consciousness has been nudging humanity since Day One in the right direction, but more and more refuse to listen, and here we are, paying the consequences, still touting Holy Science and Technology as the Holy Grail while we drown in our own ego-sh*t!

Who did you say was deluded? Hmmmmm?

 

[Deidre]

I like when Dawkins said ...''I don't know, and you don't know, either.''

That is the truest sentence of the entire debate. ^_^

I loved this debate,btw. So very interesting. Both men were equally interesting, and both men look at the universe in different ways, but where the commonality comes in, is that they both don't know with certainty, what might be....

 

[godnotgod]

I like when Dawkins said ...''I don't know, and you don't know, either.''

That is the truest sentence of the entire debate. ^_^

I loved this debate,btw. So very interesting. Both men were equally interesting, and both men look at the universe in different ways, but where the commonality comes in, is that they both don't know with certainty, what might be....

Not true. Chopra does know. It's Dawkins, speaking from highly conditioned POV from which he cannot see beyond, who truly does not know. He knows facts and data, but cannot tell us what the nature of Reality as as Chopra has been able to do. But not only can Chopra, a mystic, tell us what the nature of Reality is, he, a medical doctor, can also tell us what the facts are.

 

[YmirGF]

I like when Dawkins said ...''I don't know, and you don't know, either.''

That is the truest sentence of the entire debate. ^_^

I loved this debate,btw. So very interesting. Both men were equally interesting, and both men look at the universe in different ways, but where the commonality comes in, is that they both don't know with certainty, what might be....

I know. It would seem that one side of this lecture, err... discussion, (in the thread) simply refuses to accept that nothing is certain. If only we were not so dense, we would see the majesty of his assertions.

 

[YmirGF]

Not true. Chopra does know. It's Dawkins, speaking from highly conditioned POV from which he cannot see beyond, who truly does not know. He knows facts and data, but cannot tell us what the nature of Reality as as Chopra has been able to do. But not only can Chopra, a mystic, tell us what the nature of Reality is, he, a medical doctor, can also tell us what the facts are.

So, now Chopra is a mystic? Seriously? One wonders how deep a trench one would have to dig to lower the bar low enough for him to skip over.

 

[YmirGF]

It's just a random series of groundless assertions.

It reminds me a bit of the weird connections made by the scientist portrayed in "A Beautiful Mind". He just had a problem with seeing patterns where no patterns existed.

 

[Runewolf1973]

He as pointed out the true nature of Reality and of the self, something your science has failed, and will forever fail to do.

Overwhelmingly? Is that why we now see a bumper crop of lawsuits in the medical field, both for surgery and drugs? Is that why the earth is pretty much polluted, and why we continue to seek war instead of peace, not able to feed the world while we race for strategic military position in space under the guise of 'space exploration'? I'll tell you what is overwhelming: it is selfish, ignorant mankind as Big Ape running around brandishing Big Dangerous Toys to murder and control with. And its all because he has almost no understanding of who or what he is, nor of the world he lives in, that nourishes and sustains him 100%, and which he, like those others of your materialist ilk, regard the universe as a dead artefact, that can be manipulated by science and technology for selfish aims.

The quiet voice of Higher Consciousness has been nudging humanity since Day One in the right direction, but more and more refuse to listen, and here we are, paying the consequences, still touting Holy Science and Technology as the Holy Grail while we drown in our own ego-sh*t!

Who did you say was deluded? Hmmmmm?

It doesn't benefit mankind, this planet, or our universe anything by knowing the true nature of reality, if there even is such a thing. Who cares? The reason why this planet is in turmoil is because people are greedy, selfish and they just can't set their religious beliefs aside.

 

[YmirGF]

It doesn't benefit mankind, this planet, or our universe anything by knowing the true nature of reality,

In my demented view of reality, it makes life much harder as now you see more of the puzzle and things aren't as simple as before.

Who cares?

I think this is one of the lessons I learned in my formative period while I had more than a bit of a messiah complex. To my shock, no one really seemed to care. Eventually, I began to not take my own assumptions as seriously and people began to like me again. Plus "followers" are so fricken clingy. I don't recommend anyone try it. Being "guru" ain't all its cracked up to be.

The reason why this planet is in turmoil is because people are greedy, selfish and they just can't set their religious beliefs aside.

That might be part of it but I think the real problem is that people take themselves too seriously and get frustrated when others don't understand.

 

[Deidre]

I know. It would seem that one side of this lecture, err... discussion, (in the thread) simply refuses to accept that nothing is certain. If only we were not so dense, we would see the majesty of his assertions.

There's beauty in not knowing everything. Not wanting to know everything. Even Richard Dawkins surprised me in this clip with Chopra, stating that he doesn't know. I liked Dawkins in this clip, he was somewhat....charming.

 

[godnotgod]

So, now Chopra is a mystic? Seriously? One wonders how deep a trench one would have to dig to lower the bar low enough for him to skip over.

You haven't the faintest idea what a mystic actually is, so get off the pot and stop playing coy.

 

[godnotgod]

It reminds me a bit of the weird connections made by the scientist portrayed in "A Beautiful Mind". He just had a problem with seeing patterns where no patterns existed.

How do you know for sure Higher Consciousness and Universal Consciousness are not real? Because you've never experienced them? OK.

 

[godnotgod]

There's beauty in not knowing everything. Not wanting to know everything. Even Richard Dawkins surprised me in this clip with Chopra, stating that he doesn't know. I liked Dawkins in this clip, he was somewhat....charming.

No one knows everything, at least not in terms of factual knowledge, but it is not about not knowing everything, but in simply not-knowing period. Not-knowing is the key to knowing, because it is the condition of an empty mind, one that is receptive to whatever comes, when the mind filled with knowledge and minutiae and preconceived notions about what reality is, is not, and that is precisely why the mystic has an understanding about the true nature of Reality while the scientist does not.

 

[godnotgod]

It doesn't benefit mankind, this planet, or our universe anything by knowing the true nature of reality, if there even is such a thing. Who cares? The reason why this planet is in turmoil is because people are greedy, selfish and they just can't set their religious beliefs aside.

Well, DUH! If we took the time to understand the true nature of Reality, WHICH INCLUDES HUMAN NATURE, we would have a tool to transform greed and selfishness into altruism and generosity, while seeing beyond religious and scientific beliefs, as well as our own pet theories, such as the silly Theory of Interaction. Seeing beyond the self is precisely what the mystic is capable of doing. As for science and technology, unfortunately, it is married to the monied interests, such as Monsanto, for example, who is poisoning the earth, along with military interests, who are gung ho to blow it up. We are immature and don't know how to deal with our emotions and desires, let alone priorities, to the detriment of the rest of us. But when you know the score, via spiritual maturity, you know how to handle aggression, instead of via competition and nationalism. Science actually fosters nationalism and hatred of others. 'Our science can lick your science'. 'Our God can lick your God'. Same kind of thinking. Immature Big Apes with Big Toys.