Richard Dawkins Facepalms at Deepak Chopra

[Rick O'Shez]

Stop interacting.

Stop making sense.

 

[Runewolf1973]

There is no 'I' here that is doing anything of the sort. I'm just a total action of the universe.

Yes, an action of the universe. So long as you are replying to my words, you are still interacting.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, an action of the universe. So long as you are replying to my words, you are still interacting.

No, it's just a Grand Illusion. It's really all about the Changeless and it's pretense of interaction.

 

[Runewolf1973]

No, it's just a Grand Illusion. It's really all about the Changeless and it's pretense of interaction.

Then I shall dismiss everything you say.

 

[YmirGF]

How many realities do you think there are?

As a Buddhist, I have compassion for the suffering of the entire world, but that does not mean I am going to get teary-eyed over the delusions people are laboring under they call 'reality', and allow myself to wallow in their quagmire. I have to maintain a clear view through it all. Soyen Shaku, the first Zen teacher to come to America, said:

"My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes."

....and Trungpa Rinpoche once said,

“Renunciation is realizing that nostalgia for samsara is full of sh*t.”

'Dust' is a Buddhist metaphor for the suffering of the world, so Buddhists say:

"We have no attachment to dust"


Understand?

In all honesty I have nothing but contempt for this perspective. It is so hollow and shallow that it barely deserves a response. That you would think to promote this type of attitude is a disgrace.

 

[godnotgod]

In all honesty I have nothing but contempt for this perspective. It is so hollow and shallow that it barely deserves a response. That you would think to promote this type of attitude is a disgrace.

Sorry if you find it distasteful, but does it serve anyone to re-immerse oneself in the delusion and suffering of this world? To what end? I am not promoting anything. I am simply iterating some Buddhist principles, which may not make 'sense' to the ordinary person, but do make sense in the context of Buddhistic thought. No, I have no negative feelings about what I said. We don't need emotion mucking up the works. Just point to what is true so the afflicted can see through their fears and delusions, that's all.

 

[godnotgod]

Then I shall dismiss everything you say.

Have it your way. I'm not attached to any of it in any personal way. I can't help it if it's just the way things are.

Your dismissal/denial of The Changeless is just part of the game of Hide and Seek that you play so well.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

In all honesty I have nothing but contempt for this perspective. It is so hollow and shallow that it barely deserves a response. That you would think to promote this type of attitude is a disgrace.

In any case Chopra isn't preaching Buddhism, he's preaching a sort of new-age Hinduism where Brahman = "Cosmic Consciousness".

The idea that Buddhist teachings support Chopra's bizarre ideas is at best misguided and at worst shameless misrepresentation. As I've observed before, the central Buddhist teaching of sunyata ( emptiness ) directly contradicts notions like "Pure Consciousness" and "Cosmic Consciousness" and all manner of PPNs ( Pretentious Proper Nouns ). There is something dishonest and evasive about the continual use of these PPNs, they are never clearly defined and they are used interchangeably......words to hide behind.

It's all smoke and mirrors, a muddle of religious beliefs masquerading as spiritual wisdom,with a dollop of pseudo-science thrown in for good measure. It reminds me of a great line from the film The Outlaw Josey Wales: "Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining."

 

[Runewolf1973]

Your dismissal/denial of The Changeless is just part of the game of Hide and Seek that you play so well.

That's it...keep interacting. You prove my point so well.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Here is a dog experiencing "Cosmic Consciousness". TM

 

[Runewolf1973]

Here is a dog experiencing "Cosmic Consciousness". TM

That must be dognotdog.

 

[godnotgod]

In any case Chopra isn't preaching Buddhism, he's preaching a sort of new-age Hinduism where Brahman = "Cosmic Consciousness".

The idea that Buddhist teachings support Chopra's bizarre ideas is at best misguided and at worst shameless misrepresentation. As I've observed before, the central Buddhist teaching of sunyata ( emptiness ) directly contradicts notions like "Pure Consciousness" and "Cosmic Consciousness" and all manner of PPNs ( Pretentious Proper Nouns ). There is something dishonest and evasive about the continual use of these PPNs, they are never clearly defined and they are used interchangeably......words to hide behind.

It's all smoke and mirrors, a muddle of religious beliefs masquerading as spiritual wisdom,with a dollop of pseudo-science thrown in for good measure. It reminds me of a great line from the film The Outlaw Josey Wales: "Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining."

LOOK! THE MOON!

Aw, shucks! Ya missed it!

 

[godnotgod]

That's it...keep interacting. You prove my point so well.

Who is it that lives?

Who is it that dies?

If you can honestly answer that, you will be instantly enlightened.

If not, then you're still pretending to be 'Little Old Me', yanked along by maya.

The bubbling mountain spring of Higher Consciousness doesn't care one way or the other.

 

[godnotgod]

That must be dognotdog.

There is no such dog experiencing anything.

There is only Cosmic Consciousness.

There is no experiencer of the experience.

There is no whirlpool that whirls;

No river that flows;

No thinker of thoughts;

No It that rains;

You're still attached to form and appearances of form.

 

[YmirGF]

How many realities do you think there are?

More than there are numbers to peg on them... an infinite number... and then some

As a Buddhist, I have compassion for the suffering of the entire world, but that does not mean I am going to get teary-eyed over the delusions people are laboring under they call 'reality', and allow myself to wallow in their quagmire. I have to maintain a clear view through it all.

I don't think you have any concept of what compassion is. You have disconnected from your quite natural humanitarian compassion to maintain a fragile hold on what you think of as being clarity with what certainly seems to be completely selfish drive. Your utter disdain and contempt for humanity at this juncture in time is self-evident and stems from your revulsion with your own egotistical motivations that you are so eager to stamp out - at any cost.

 

[godnotgod]

More than there are numbers to peg on them... an infinite number... and then some

I don't think you have any concept of what compassion is.

Compassion is to speak the truth to the afflicted, no matter how harsh or even cruel it may seem.

'Beautiful words are not truthful;
truthful words are not beautiful'
Tao te Ching

What you imagine to be countless realities are only reflections of the One Reality, as they are all completely interconnected to all other realities.

 

[YmirGF]

Compassion is to speak the truth to the afflicted, no matter how harsh or even cruel it may seem.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. You don't understand at all.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Who is it that lives?

Who is it that dies?

If you can honestly answer that, you will be instantly enlightened.

If not, then you're still pretending to be 'Little Old Me', yanked along by maya.

The bubbling mountain spring of Higher Consciousness doesn't care one way or the other.

You're doing good, keep it up! Eventually you will get it. With every single response you give to my posts you prove my theory of interaction to be correct! Don't worry about the details...the who's or the what's...just know that you are continually interacting.

 

[Runewolf1973]

There is no such dog experiencing anything.

There is only Cosmic Consciousness.

There is no experiencer of the experience.

There is no whirlpool that whirls;

No river that flows;

No thinker of thoughts;

No It that rains;

You're still attached to form and appearances of form.

Sure, just keep doing what your doing. Interaction is everything. It is a wonderful realization once you truly understand it fully.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Here is a cat experiencing "Cosmic Consciousness" TM: