godnotgod
Thou art That
Really? Can you show me the 'you' (me) that is interacting? Where is this 'inter-actor' of the interaction? Have you seen him?
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Really? Can you show me the 'you' (me) that is interacting? Where is this 'inter-actor' of the interaction? Have you seen him?
godnotgod
Thou art That
That's what a prisoner in Plato's Cave said to one of the others.
"Interaction is the Lord Thy God. Thou shalt have no other Interactions before Me. Everything is Interaction, and Interaction is Everything. That is all. All else is poppycock. Now sit for an hour and watch these Interacting Cave Wall Shadows so you can know True Reality, and not that New Age Sun notion that is such a fad these days"
godnotgod
Thou art That
Here is a cat experiencing "Cosmic Consciousness" TM:
LOOK! COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS!
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, it is you who does not understand.
Suffering due to delusion is cured by the ruthless truth. That is Pure Compassion, without emotion.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, it is you who does not understand.
Suffering due to delusion is cured by the ruthless truth. That is Pure Compassion, without emotion.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
My posts are being responded to somehow, therefore there is an inter-actor.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That's what a prisoner in Plato's Cave said to one of the others.
"Interaction is the Lord Thy God. Thou shalt have no other Interactions before Me. Everything is Interaction, and Interaction is Everything. That is all. All else is poppycock. Now sit for an hour and watch these Interacting Cave Wall Shadows so you can know True Reality, and not that New Age Sun notion that is such a fad these days"
Keep responding to my posts. This has proven to be a very useful experiment. Excellent proof of interaction here.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
To my thinking that is more the sign of an individual with a wanton disregard for the suffering of another and would likely appeal to those who have somehow managed to disconnect themselves from their own humanity. Obviously, you have no real experience in this area. Then again, you are prone to bludgeoning ego's so I guess this would seem reasonable to you. Sad, really.
godnotgod
Thou art That
That is your assumption, just like primitives who thought there was a rain-god making it rain. There is no such inter-actor of the interaction; there is only interaction. What is responding to your posts is consciousness.
godnotgod
Thou art That
What would ego have to do with compassion?
For one to be truly compassionate, one would have to be dispassionate, in order to see things clearly above the turmoil that is in need compassion. That is why I posted the quote:
"My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes."
I don't know where you get this idea of ego-bludgeoning, but that is not my approach. I just watch and allow it to play out internally without rallowing it to express itself outwardly. Then it just loses steam. I am not my ego. I don't identify with my ego as it being 'my' ego. It's like this:
A Tale of two Birds ... the Ego and the Self
Like two golden birds perched on the selfsame tree, intimate friends,
the ego and the Self dwell in the same body. The former eats the
sweet and sour fruits of the tree of life while the latter looks on
in detachment. As long as we think we are the ego, we feel attached
and fall into sorrow. But realize that you are the Self, the Lord of
life, and you will be freed from sorrow. When you realize that you
are the Self, supreme source of light, supreme source of love, you
transcend the duality of life and enter into the unitive state.
(Mundaka Upanishad. 3:1-3)
As for compassion, one must learn to listen to those in need of it without becoming attached to the source of their suffering, so that one can get to the heart of the matter and show the afflicted person what it actually looks like, rather than how they see it via their emotional distortion. It is their personal attachment that is the cause of their suffering.
But look, this is a topic for another thread. The issue here is not compassion, but the fallout between Dawkins and Chopra regarding whether the universe is conscious or not.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That is correct. Keep interacting.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Once again, from the POV of conditioned awareness, such as yours, it appears there is interaction in a world made up of separate things, made of atoms, and changing all the time. This view is the snake part of the rope/snake metaphor.
But from the POV of Unconditioned Awareness, what you think is 'interaction' is all appearances, the play of maya and lila. You know when you see those videos of a native twirling a torch in the dark, it appears as a rotating circle of fire, but in reality, is really one torch, one flame.
When you are dreaming, it is true that you are the hero saving a damsel from the dragon, but when you awaken, you see that it was only a dream, and there was never a hero, a damsel, nor a dragon. Likewise, when you awaken from your state of Identification, it will become clear to you that this world is all a fiction. It never happened. Only your awakened state is real, that of The Changeless, which is Absolute Joy. Why should it change? It is the pentultimate state of being. It only pretends to change as a form of playfulness. Stop being hypnotized by 'interaction'. You are on the verge of mad scientist here, and uncontrollable laughter.
godnotgod
Thou art That
...there is only interaction without an inter-actor, that is to say, within the context of the present reality, which is a state of sleep. Awaken, and all your 'interaction' will vanish into thin nothingness.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
No, it is not just in the appearances. My posts are being responded to which requires interaction.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I must admit you're pretty good at this interaction thing for someone who claims they do not exist.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
In what way is nothingness thin? How can nothingness be anything let alone thick or thin? So you're saying nothingness has a physical quality? That of thinness?
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Yes, but the interaction is real only within this particular context of conscious awareness. On a higher level, it is seen as a fiction lost in Identification.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, not really. Just a figure of speech. Guess I should have stayed with convention, and said 'into thin air', or 'sheer nothingness'.
Bottom line: interaction is much ado about nothing.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
These two cats are experiencing "Cosmic Interaction". TM
