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Richard Dawkins lies

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InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Fresh water rivers commonly run into the salt water sea without a barrier - you should check out what a Halocline actually IS, it is an area of WATER where the salt water mixes with the fresh water, i.e. this video is itself demonstrating that Dawkins was telling the truth and the Halocline IS itself the phenomena which demonstrates this; as you pour in additional water what happens? do the two waters simply stay seperate? No. They mix - not instantaneously but yes, they absolutely mix.
 
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Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
You're supposed to put up a description though. :p But I'm feeling generous and able to do it right now.

The video for those who can't watch it​
Girl: And how in the sea the two waters, they don't mix but pass through each other.
Dawkins: Salty water and fresh water don't mix in the sea? [
Text: Remember "in the sea" and "natural barrier"
Girl: No, it's like, um, the natural barrier... [
[Dawkins' overvoice interrupts the girl: I was shocked that RE elbows out science like this.
Dawkins: So you think the Qur'an is a good source of scientific information [
Girls: Yep/yeah [etc]
Dawkins [ right. Yeah. And you're the one who wants to be a doctor, is that right? Yes...

Youtube Author:
So Dawkins takes this information to the public, with a "ltitle twist".

Cut to new scene
Dawkins: The pupils that I spoke to quite clearly think that the Qur'an is a superior source of scientific information than evidence, and they told me that for example salt water and fresh water don't mix. The reason? Because it says that in the Qur'an. [
[Text overlay: Little twist: No mention of "in the sea" and "natural barrier".
Dawkins: Now, alas I lack the presence of mind to turn to the teacher sitting next to me and say "will you please, at the very next science lesson, get some salt water, get some fresh water, and mix them and see what happens?

Text overlay with Qur'anic recitation: And it is He Who has let free the two seas, one palatable and sweet, the other salt and bitter, and He has set a brarrier and a complete partition between them. (Qur'an 25:53)

New scene, with Attenborough
Attenborough: The flooded caverns can play tricks on you in other ways. What seems like air isn't... it's just another kind of water. This is a halocline.
[Text overlay: Halocline
Attenborough: A meeting of fresh and salt water. Fresh water from the jungle flows over the heavy salt water from the sea.

2:16: Image of "Cold Artic air freezes sea water", description
2:27: Text: The discovery of the halocline with our modern advanced technology makes the Qur'an the word of God without any dispute...
2:37 But of course, you can also prove the Qur'an is wrong without any dispute.
2:46: All you have to do is see the two seas in the Qur'anic verse as two glasses of water, just like Dawkins did.
2:58: The girls did explain to "Professor" Dawkins that it's "in the sea" and "it's a natural barrier".
3:09: So Dawkins either lied or heard only what he wanted to hear.
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Odion said:
You're supposed to put up a description though. :p But I'm feeling generous and able to do it right now.

The video for those who can't watch it​
Girl: And how in the sea the two waters, they don't mix but pass through each other.
Dawkins: Salty water and fresh water don't mix in the sea? [
Text: Remember "in the sea" and "natural barrier"
Girl: No, it's like, um, the natural barrier... [
[Dawkins' overvoice interrupts the girl: I was shocked that RE elbows out science like this.
Dawkins: So you think the Qur'an is a good source of scientific information [
Girls: Yep/yeah [etc]
Dawkins [ right. Yeah. And you're the one who wants to be a doctor, is that right? Yes...

Youtube Author:
So Dawkins takes this information to the public, with a "ltitle twist".

Cut to new scene
Dawkins: The pupils that I spoke to quite clearly think that the Qur'an is a superior source of scientific information than evidence, and they told me that for example salt water and fresh water don't mix. The reason? Because it says that in the Qur'an. [
[Text overlay: Little twist: No mention of "in the sea" and "natural barrier".
Dawkins: Now, alas I lack the presence of mind to turn to the teacher sitting next to me and say "will you please, at the very next science lesson, get some salt water, get some fresh water, and mix them and see what happens?

Text overlay with Qur'anic recitation: And it is He Who has let free the two seas, one palatable and sweet, the other salt and bitter, and He has set a brarrier and a complete partition between them. (Qur'an 25:53)

New scene, with Attenborough
Attenborough: The flooded caverns can play tricks on you in other ways. What seems like air isn't... it's just another kind of water. This is a halocline.
[Text overlay: Halocline
Attenborough: A meeting of fresh and salt water. Fresh water from the jungle flows over the heavy salt water from the sea.

2:16: Image of "Cold Artic air freezes sea water", description
2:27: Text: The discovery of the halocline with our modern advanced technology makes the Qur'an the word of God without any dispute...
2:37 But of course, you can also prove the Qur'an is wrong without any dispute.
2:46: All you have to do is see the two seas in the Qur'anic verse as two glasses of water, just like Dawkins did.
2:58: The girls did explain to "Professor" Dawkins that it's "in the sea" and "it's a natural barrier".
3:09: So Dawkins either lied or heard only what he wanted to hear.
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Thanks for the hard job,Odion. :)
 
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Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
Why he intended to lie and fools the audience, for what purpose he is doing so?
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It is plausible that naturalistic energy has existed eternally, and has the same "creative" attributes as the God of the Bible does, but lacks consciousness, and self-awareness like humans have, and like God supposedly has, and lacks the ability to have audible conversations with humans in their own languages.

Simply stated, no science reasonably proves that eternally existing energy must be the kind of energy that you believe it is.
 
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FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
ArtieE said:
You might be interested in "Meeting of Fresh and Salt Water in the Qur'an" at Meeting of Fresh and Salt Water in the Qur'an - WikiIslam
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My topic is why he lied and not to discuss if the natural barrier is scientifically correct or wrong,you can discuss it in another thread if you wish,it isn't my concern.

He said lets get some salt water, get some fresh water, and mix them and see what happens?

Did the quran say that fresh water never mixed with salt water as he (Richard) tried to fool the public by simplifying it to 2 glasses of water.

What do you think ?
Did he lie ? Yes or No
 
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Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
Why he intended to lie and fools the audience, for what purpose he is doing so?
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But you cannot reasonably disprove the possibility that naturalistic energy has existed eternally, and has the same "creative" attributes as the God of the Bible does regarding causing the Big Bang to occur, but lacks consciousness, and self-awareness like humans have, and like God supposedly has, and lacks the ability to have audible conversations with humans in their own languages.

Simply stated, no science reasonably proves that eternally existing energy must be the kind of energy that you believe it is.

How is the Koran scientifically advanced?
 
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FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
InformedIgnorance said:
Fresh water rivers commonly run into the salt water sea without a barrier - you should check out what a Halocline actually IS, it is an area of WATER where the salt water mixes with the fresh water, i.e. this video is itself demonstrating that Dawkins was telling the truth and the Halocline IS itself the phenomena which demonstrates this; as you pour in additional water what happens? do the two waters simply stay seperate? No. They mix - not instantaneously but yes, they absolutely mix.
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Thank you for being brave and honest in your reply,that reflects how great is your personality.

i aint surprised now that some audience clapped to Richard. :clap
 
Sha'irullah

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I have seen this video before and I must say I enjoy the stupidity of its creator. The circular logic is strong here as the only understanding of nature is "because the Qur'an says so"
Dawkins got it right but sadly what is given in the video is beyond untruthful
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
What surprised me that even the liar is defended and thats give us a clear picture what kind of people whom are defending the evolution and a self created universe.

Thanks God that he showed us what kind of person are they.
For me they are untrustful,just my opinion.
 
Sha'irullah

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
FearGod said:
What surprised me that even the liar is defended and thats give us a clear picture what kind of people whom are defending the evolution and a self created universe.

Thanks God that he showed us what kind of person are they.
For me they are untrustful,just my opinion.
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Please try refuting evolution and you will understand why religion is not tolerated by scientists. I dare you to pull up an old thread or make a new one to refute evolution.
I always see you shy away from it honestly. ;) There is a reason for it. You also say that you can deny science on the basis that scientist are untrustworthy yet ironically this applies for theologians and religious leaders.

Dawkins presented a fact and the creator of the video presented circular logic with no basis.

Please take some fresh water and salt water and see if they mix. I can assure you the statement sin the Qur'an are not what is claimed to be by you.
 
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Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
What surprised me is that the liar is defended and that gives us a clear picture what kind of people are defending evolution, and a self-created created universe.
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Lot of theists defend evolution.

What do you mean by "a self-created universe."?
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Sterling Archer said:
Please try refuting evolution and you will understand why religion is not tolerated by scientists. I dare you to pull up an old thread or make a new one to refute evolution.
I always see you shy away from it honestly. ;) There is a reason for it. You also say that you can deny science on the basis that scientist are untrustworthy yet ironically this applies for theologians and religious leaders.

Dawkins presented a fact and the creator of the video presented circular logic with no basis.

Please take some fresh water and salt water and see if they mix. I can assure you the statement sin the Qur'an are not what is claimed to be by you.
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Sorry,i won't clap to you as the audience did to Richard,but im sure many may agree with such nonsense.

By the way,i didn't say scientists are untrustworthy,otherwise you are using the same technique that Richard used with the example of the 2 glasses of water instead what have been said about the seas and the natural barrier.

i said liars are untrustworthy once they are known to be so.

in this thread i aint talking about evolution but what kind of persons that supporting it,such as Richard and his defenders.

For me they are untrustworthy,again im not talking about the scientists,just to be clear.
 
Sha'irullah

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Debater Slayer said:
Evolution has nothing to do with how the universe originated. It is totally possible to accept that evolution occurs and believe that the universe was created by a deity.
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Cosmic creation and evolution somehow get intertwined for some reason by I see similar ignorance from my own family to be honest.

I have no idea how the two get mingled together truthfully. Even the Qur'an mentions an evolution of some sort.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
FearGod said:
What surprised me that even the liar is defended and thats give us a clear picture what kind of people whom are defending the evolution and a self created universe.

Thanks God that he showed us what kind of person are they.
For me they are untrustful,just my opinion.
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I accept evolution and defend it against creationist tactics.

And I don't like Dawkins. I think he's an *******. :)

Great biologist, but generally a terribly ignorant person of religion. Then again, he's an anti-theist. It comes with the territory.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
FearGod said:
What surprised me that even the liar is defended and thats give us a clear picture what kind of people whom are defending the evolution and a self created universe.

Thanks God that he showed us what kind of person are they.
For me they are untrustful,just my opinion.
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That makes no sense.

Can you prove that he purposely lied or rather that he misunderstood what they were saying?

So you are saying that this one instance means that nothing that he says can be trusted?

So I take it you have never lied? Because if you have, then why should we trust anything that you say...even these posts?

I would be careful before going unto such a quick judgement rant on someone when you yourself may also exhibit those same flaws.
 
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