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Right to Family and Care

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Why can't the US instill actual family values? Like the right to Family?

Aly on Reels |

We are one of the worst places in the world to raise a family.

"UNICEF Study Confirms: The U.S. Ranks Last For Family-Friendly Policies."


But that's ok, we have transgender bans, drag bans, book bans, and a war on "woke".... Right?

Edit: Can't forget the thousands of dead children due to gun violence too.
Because there are too many citizens who do not what what the UNICEF describes as family values, and family friendly policies. If we wanted them, we would have them; we just don't want them.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Because there are too many citizens who do not what what the UNICEF describes as family values, and family friendly policies. If we wanted them, we would have them; we just don't want them.

I disagree, sort of.

I think people have been convinced they don't want it, mainly by dishonest leaders, and especially deceptive lobbying.

Doesn't mean they (citizens) won't realize their mistake if it ever actually materialized.

We don't want it because someone told us not to. Just like single payer health care, taxes that support the citizenry, and myriad of other things that are in the interests of the majority but not the wealthy.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
The United Nations should keep its "Peacekeepers" from committing child rape and sex trafficking before criticizing others about families.
Child sexual abuse by UN peacekeepers - Wikipedia

Sure. We can point to a series of **** ups as a distraction.

Or we could work together towards fixing actual US problems.

Dead Catting my OP does nothing but make you look bad Shaul.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Sure. We can point to a series of **** ups as a distraction.

Or we could work together towards fixing actual US problems.

Dead Catting my OP does nothing but make you look bad Shaul.
Or we could ask why the UN (which hates the US) wants to attempt misdirection. Any issues the US has pale beside what the UN has done. So how come you are so much more interested in supposed US peccadilloes than the horrendous issues at the UN?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
No, but Obama put the ACA in place, which required employers to fund healthcare for all full time employees. So they just stopped hiring full in a lot of service sectors.
Informative frubal

I honestly wouldn’t trust my employers to fund my healthcare lol. But that’s perhaps a moot point where I live
The government here is apparently cracking down on employers not contributing to Super. Which is illegal here

I might grumble about my government, but they’re not as heartless as the US version appears from the outside. No offence
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Or we could ask why the UN (which hates the US) wants to attempt misdirection. Any issues the US has pale beside what the UN has done. So how come you are so much more interested in supposed US peccadilloes than the horrendous issues at the UN?

Meow meow meow
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I disagree, sort of.

I think people have been convinced they don't want it, mainly by dishonest leaders, and especially deceptive lobbying.
Maybe those who want it have been convinced they want it by dishonest leaders and deceptive lobbying.
Doesn't mean they (citizens) won't realize their mistake if it ever actually materialized.

We don't want it because someone told us not to.
Maybe when they look at the cost of doing it, they would prefer to buy their own.
Just like single payer health care, taxes that support the citizenry, and myriad of other things that are in the interests of the majority but not the wealthy.
Or maybe single payer health care is in the interest of the poor, but not the majority.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
It looks like it is rapidly becoming third-world dangerous to have children in some areas of the US.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Maybe those who want it have been convinced they want it by dishonest leaders and deceptive lobbying.

Maybe when they look at the cost of doing it, they would prefer to buy their own.

Or maybe single payer health care is in the interest of the poor, but not the majority.

No, no, and no. I don't have the patience to attempt to convince you otherwise.

But for giggle and ****s: single payer is cheaper for everyone overall, and takes less taxes than the current system.

“A single-payer health care system would be much more economically efficient than our current fragmented structure and would save over $450 billion per year,”

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a shame family values now are based on welfare rather than self supported prosperous family units that don't rely on government handouts, making impoverishment and dependency worse than ever.

I'd go for a solution where family can self sustain itself and pay for those things instead of government paying it all the time.

Getting the market back on track would be a good first step that would be good for families, and even I admit some regulation in that regard will stem the destructive hole created by the welfare state mentality that is out there.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
It's a shame family values now are based on welfare rather than self supported prosperous family units that don't rely on government handouts, making impoverishment and dependency worse than ever.

I'd go for a solution where family can self sustain itself and pay for those things instead of government paying it all the time.

Getting the market back on track would be a good first step that would be good for families, and even I admit some regulation in that regard will stem the destructive hole created by the welfare state mentality that is out there.

In order for a Family to be able to sustain itself we should try increasing min wage, and instituting things such as paid family leave, daycare subsidies etc etc.

Because we pay taxes. And taxes should support the population. If you don't like that, move into the woods and don't pay taxes.

You can't accomplish these things anymore without govt assistance. That's why we pay ****ing taxes.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
No, no, and no. I don't have the patience to attempt to convince you otherwise.

But for giggle and ****s: single payer is cheaper for everyone overall, and takes less taxes than the current system.

“A single-payer health care system would be much more economically efficient than our current fragmented structure and would save over $450 billion per year,”

Whatever the case, the reason we don't have it is because there are too many people who don't want it.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Whatever the case, the reason we don't have it is because there are too many people who don't want it.

I'm sorry you believe that but that's not correct.

The majority of the US does want it.

"Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted."

Increasing share of Americans favor a single government program to provide health care coverage.

The reason we don't have it are the Trumps, McConnells and Bidens of the US.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
In order for a Family to be able to sustain itself we should try increasing min wage,
Most poor families aren't poor because they're trying to live on minimum wage jobs, most poor families are poor because nobody is working at all.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Most poor families aren't poor because they're trying to live on minimum wage jobs, most poor families are poor because nobody is working at all.
: Optimistic: frube


Is that by choice? I doubt it.

I don't try to assume what others do with their time.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry you believe that but that's not correct.

The majority of the US does want it.

"Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted."

Increasing share of Americans favor a single government program to provide health care coverage.

The reason we don't have it are the Trumps, McConnells and Bidens of the US.
I never said the majority didn't want it, I said too many don't want it. And as far as polling, didn't they predict Hillary was gonna beat Trump by a landslide? You gonna have to excuse my skepticism.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I never said the majority didn't want it, I said too many don't want it. And as far as polling, didn't they predict Hillary was gonna beat Trump by a landslide? You gonna have to excuse my skepticism.

Polling opinions vs polling politics... Meh.
 
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