Right to Family and Care

[The Hammer]

I never said the majority didn't want it, I said too many don't want it.

So it doesn't matter if the majority wants it?

As long as a vocal and important minority doesn't want it, we're gunna stay as is?

Very defeatist.

What exactly is "too many"? 30%? 15%?

 

[crossfire]

I'm sorry you believe that but that's not correct.

The majority of the US does want it.

"Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted."

Increasing share of Americans favor a single government program to provide health care coverage.

The reason we don't have it are the Trumps, McConnells and Bidens of the US.

Well, you see, if health care is guaranteed for all then there wouldn't be any wiggle room for those who want to deny specific types of health care to specific groups of people.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ngl, it still baffles me that the US offers no minimum national maternal or paternal leave.
Like I would like our government to offer more, no doubt.
But that’s been such a given for like all my life that I just assumed the US must give like heaps, due to it being a world superpower

"That's communism!" *strums banjo and spits 'chaw'*

 

[Kfox]

So it doesn't matter if the majority wants it?

As long as a vocal and important minority doesn't want it, we're gunna stay as is?

Very defeatist.

What exactly is "too many"? 30%? 15%?

I don't pretend to know the percentages. I don't want it, most of the people I know don't want it, but then we obviously aren't the type of people included in those type of polls so......

 

[Father Heathen]

Maybe those who want it have been convinced they want it by dishonest leaders and deceptive lobbying.

Maybe when they look at the cost of doing it, they would prefer to buy their own.

Or maybe single payer health care is in the interest of the poor, but not the majority.

Our privatized, for profit healthcare system is a predatory racket that has driven many either into debt or into the grave and is considered a ghoulish joke by the rest of the first world:

There's a lot of irony in your post.

 

[Father Heathen]

Most poor families aren't poor because they're trying to live on minimum wage jobs, most poor families are poor because nobody is working at all.

Source? Other than redneck boomer memes off of Facebook, that is.

 

[Father Heathen]

So basically it's entitlements that people are after.

I'm OK with that as long as it dosent put a burden on other people.

Not helping those effected by poverty and not fixing the causes of poverty create far bigger problems and burdens in the long run.

 

[Father Heathen]

I never got a free lunch at my school.

Either my parents made lunch for me, or they gave me lunch money to buy my lunch.

It's better to let kids starve than for the rich to have one less yacht in their fleet.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's a shame family values now are based on welfare rather than self supported prosperous family units that don't rely on government handouts, making impoverishment and dependency worse than ever.

I'd go for a solution where family can self sustain itself and pay for those things instead of government paying it all the time.

Getting the market back on track would be a good first step that would be good for families, and even I admit some regulation in that regard will stem the destructive hole created by the welfare state mentality that is out there.

So you expect people to support themselves, yet oppose fixing the problems that's preventing them from being able to do so? And support the platform that created these social and economic problems in the first place?

 

[Father Heathen]

Democrats are the party of welfare and entitlements. Nothing more.

Republicans are the party of greed and exploitation. Nothing more.

The gap between the rich and poor grows, the economic ladder has been hoisted up, and dopes are duped into voting against their own interests.

That, and a theocratic agenda.

 

[SomeRandom]

Republicans are the party of greed and exploitation. Nothing more.

The gap between the rich and poor grows, the economic ladder has been hoisted up, and dopes are duped into voting against their own interests.

That, and a theocratic agenda.

Hmm your post reminded me of a few encounters I had (admittedly under a Left Wing video.)
The video was reacting to Republicans worried that Gen Z was vastly favouring the Democrats. I think it was something like 40 points or percent or something? Not sure of the exact stats. Or how you guys measure that.

Anyway I was curious as to their response to all of this.
So I got into some conversations.
Their main concerns seemed to be school debt (obviously) the cost of healthcare, abortion access and indeed the cost of giving birth (is it expensive in the US?) gun violence not being addressed and many seemed disgusted by how the alphabet soup community were being treated by the GOP.
It was also rather interesting to hear how many generalised Rep voters around that age were apparently completely turned off by the MAGA crowds. I don’t think the Bud Light “boycott” helped matters.

Full disclaimer these are their concerns and perceptions that they expressed to me.
I’m not American so I can only react to what you guys show me.
Obviously this is not some in depth scientific kind of poll of your country. Obviously there’s bias considering the source. But it was interesting for me regardless

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, but Obama put the ACA in place, which required employers to fund healthcare for all full time employees. So they just stopped hiring full in a lot of service sectors.

Even before then most people in those jobs weren't full time, and those getting the most hours were stuff not actually full time to avoid any and all chances of overtime. They also often did offer health insurance, but it was crappy and expensive. The ACA did lower the hours for benefits, but most workers in those jobs we're getting that many hours to begin with.

 

[SomeRandom]

Even before then most people in those jobs weren't full time, and those getting the most hours were stuff not actually full time to avoid any and all chances of overtime. They also often did offer health insurance, but it was crappy and expensive. The ACA did lower the hours for benefits, but most workers in those jobs we're getting that many hours to begin with.

Can I ask, out of curiosity, what qualifies as full time hours in the US?
Ours is by law 38 per week, minimum. (Obviously people work more thank that. Up to 45 for many industries I think. But both parties have to agree.)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Republicans are the party of greed and exploitation. Nothing more.

The gap between the rich and poor grows, the economic ladder has been hoisted up, and dopes are duped into voting against their own interests.

That, and a theocratic agenda.

Actually it's corporations that are influencing politictions and writing the bills for them to pass.

Republicans are the worse offenders but Democrats do it too.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I cannot offer any help or comforting words on this subject, but I recognise that I am blessed not to have been born in America. I am deeply grateful for this circumstance of luck, entirely out of my power.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Or we could ask why the UN (which hates the US) wants to attempt misdirection. Any issues the US has pale beside what the UN has done. So how come you are so much more interested in supposed US peccadilloes than the horrendous issues at the UN?

Just so we're clear: you're conceding the point about the US's laws and social structure suck for families, but you're arguing for inaction until the issue of sexual assault by peacekeepers is addressed.

Is that right? Do I understand your argument correctly?

 

[anna.]

I never got a free lunch at my school.

Either my parents made lunch for me, or they gave me lunch money to buy my lunch.

Not all children are as fortunate as you were. I worked in the elementary school system and saw firsthand the children who were neglected by their parents, who brought a bag of candy to school for lunch because their parents didn't make their lunch, or show them how to make a good lunch or maybe even buy the groceries needed to make a good lunch. I remember the mother who woke up sometime midmorning and at least called the school to see if her child made it to school because the child wasn't at home when mom woke up. The boy who came regularly to the nurse's office because the pain from the cavities in his teeth was disrupting his school day and the nurse who couldn't convince the parents to accept the pro bono dental work that she could arrange for him. Children are neglected every day in this country. The school lunch program exists for them. That you didn't need it is irrelevant.

 

[Father Heathen]

Hmm your post reminded me of a few encounters I had (admittedly under a Left Wing video.)
The video was reacting to Republicans worried that Gen Z was vastly favouring the Democrats. I think it was something like 40 points or percent or something? Not sure of the exact stats. Or how you guys measure that.

Anyway I was curious as to their response to all of this.
So I got into some conversations.
Their main concerns seemed to be school debt (obviously) the cost of healthcare, abortion access and indeed the cost of giving birth (is it expensive in the US?) gun violence not being addressed and many seemed disgusted by how the alphabet soup community were being treated by the GOP.
It was also rather interesting to hear how many generalised Rep voters around that age were apparently completely turned off by the MAGA crowds. I don’t think the Bud Light “boycott” helped matters.

Full disclaimer these are their concerns and perceptions that they expressed to me.
I’m not American so I can only react to what you guys show me.
Obviously this is not some in depth scientific kind of poll of your country. Obviously there’s bias considering the source. But it was interesting for me regardless

The younger crowd tends to be better informed and educated.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not all children are as fortunate as you were. I worked in the elementary school system and saw firsthand the children who were neglected by their parents, who brought a bag of candy to school for lunch because their parents didn't make their lunch, or show them how to make a good lunch or maybe even buy the groceries needed to make a good lunch. I remember the mother who woke up sometime midmorning and at least called the school to see if her child made it to school because the child wasn't at home when mom woke up. The boy who came regularly to the nurse's office because the pain from the cavities in his teeth was disrupting his school day and the nurse who couldn't convince the parents to accept the pro bono dental work that she could arrange for him. Children are neglected every day in this country. The school lunch program exists for them. That youI didn't need it is irrelevant.

Makes me wonder who's the blame for causing neglected starving children in the first place.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not helping those effected by poverty and not fixing the causes of poverty create far bigger problems and burdens in the long run.

It's why I'm not against measures to help people increase their personal wealth.