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Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

Quagmire

Quagmire

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Guitar's Cry said:
One of the goals of Blue Lives Matter has been to add violence against police officers as a hate crime, something that appears to equivocate a chosen profession with characteristics more innate to a person's life, like ethnicity, biological characteristics, or sexual/gender identity. Since cops, while certainly targeted by individuals, are not a traditionally mistreated group and have been used to enforce a status quo that has included racist laws, this could easily be seen as an opposing reaction to a movement against racially motivated police violence. Especially when "All Lives Matter" folks will differentiate between Blue Lives and All Lives, but not Black Lives and All Lives.
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The post I was responding to said . .
9-10ths_Penguin said:
. The implicit message of the group is "blue lives matter (as opposed to black lives)."
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. . . as if it has to be one or the other, ie., that people can't or shouldn't care about both, or that a declaration of support for one is an implicit declaration of opposition to the other.

Nothing in your post explains or justifies that attitude.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Quagmire said:
The post I was responding to said . .


. . . as if it has to be one or the other, ie., that people can't or shouldn't care about both, or that a declaration of support for one is an implicit declaration of opposition to the other.

Nothing in your post explains or justifies that attitude.
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Probably because that isn't in my position.

There's nothing implicit in voicing support for cops that implies rejection of support for civil rights for black people. Where that comes in is in:

- how Blue Lives Matter was specifically started as a response to Black Lives Matter. Even the very name of the movement refers to Black Lives Matter. They both literally and figuratively removed the "Black" and replaced it with "Blue."

- the actions done by the Blue Lives matter movement. They've proven that they aren't just about safeguarding the lives and well-being of police officers; they're also the flag that people rally to when they're against, say, disciplining cops for unwarranted violence against black people, or against structural changes to combat racism on police forces.

Black Lives Matter is about trying to stop the cops from killing as many black people as they do right now. More often than not, Blue Lives Matter is about opposing the measures proposed to achieve BLM's goal.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Quagmire said:
The post I was responding to said . .


. . . as if it has to be one or the other, ie., that people can't or shouldn't care about both, or that a declaration of support for one is an implicit declaration of opposition to the other.

Nothing in your post explains or justifies that attitude.
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Well, it reminds me of the "Straight Pride" parades that pop-up around Gay pride events; explicitly there's nothing wrong with straight pride until it is put into the context of the history of gay rights.

Similarly, I do agree that cops' lives matter. I know decent, compassionate cops that support anti-racist activism. But when put into the context of my earlier post, I can't help but see that some of the support for Blue Lives Matter is, in part, in opposition of BLM.

I do concede maybe not all the time; I have a co-worker that supports both, since her son is a cop and she works with disadvantaged youth that are disproportionately black and supports anti-racist social movements.
 
Suave

Suave

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Wildswanderer said:
And how would you know that? Do they have a mission statement to eliminate other races?
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A group's racial demographic composition in comparison to the overall population's racial demographic composition might be a good indicator if a group is racist.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Guitar's Cry said:
It doesn't have to be his identity. Hopefully it's not something he will do on a regular basis.

But he has killed. In self-defense or otherwise, he will have to live with that.

And it is something that could have been prevented at various points.
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If killing someone trying to kill you makes one feel guilty or remorseful, then that person has issues.

I don’t think killing my would be murderers would really present such a burden.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Wildswanderer said:
Lots of blue lives are black. Or brown. Or yellow or red. Why does only one color of skin matter?
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You don't get it. Why am I not surprised?

Black Lives Matter is a response to a justice system that often treats black lives as if they don't matter.

Think of the implicit message as "Black Lives Matter... despite all the people acting as if they don't."

Of course, understanding this involves recognizing that there is systemic racism in the justice system for BLM to respond to, which is why people who don't care about fixing things ignore that racism and make false equivalencies like you're doing.
 
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