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Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Reactionary, yes, but I don't see how their wanting to classify attacks targeting police as hate crimes indicative of a "deeply prejudiced agenda".

I view it as such because basically no other job is classified similarly to race, gender, etc., so that it would let attacks on the people doing it be classified as hate crimes. It strongly seems like a motion to mirror BLM's calls to combat hate crimes against Black people.

And most blue color workers in the US are conservative, police probably more so, so it shouldn't be a surprise to find Trump supporters and far-right extremists among their ranks. I mean really: where else would they be?

That's a good point. In my opinion, some leftist politicians don't do enough to address the concerns of the average working-class conservative, but then they turn around and talk about all conservatives as if they were a monolith.

Right or wrong, populists tend to exploit genuine issues, so it seems to me that any leftist politician who fails to address these issues in a way that speaks to the average conservative will inevitably lose their support.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He was properly tried under the law and found innocent. That pretty much settled the matter and it must be accepted. There's only forward.

That's so old school. That's not how it's done in America now. Don't like the outcome? You throw a tantrum.

Refuse to accept the verdict. Scream fake news and hoax, and demand a few hundred recounts of the verdict votes. Claim the trial was rigged and that multiple jury ballots were changed, then file a few dozen nugatory lawsuits to get the verdict reversed. Call the judge and ask him to find you the votes you need. Get the bailiff to refuse to certify the results, possibly by storming the jury room when the jury is deliberating.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I don't think it's citizens' job to "remove such criminal scum from [their] midst" by using guns while being insufficiently trained. If it were, law enforcement and the rule of law would be unnecessary.

Such comments are bizarre to see coming from people who support the party of "law and order" that railed against antifa not long ago on the grounds that they were supporting lawlessness. I suppose even the application of a principle like this is subject to partisan preferences.
I support self-defense. So he was in the right to use deadly force, regardless That one of them was a convicted child rapist and he's dead, is a bonus in my eyes.

I'm not a Republican. I don't vote by party lines.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
If he hadn't shown up there with his gun, two people would still be alive.
He's a Woody Woodpecker - an instigator, a troublemaker.
Once again: You are allowed to carry a gun for protection. It doesn't mean you intend to use it. Why do I even have to say this? :rolleyes:

They would be still alive if they didn't attack him!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Once again: You are allowed to carry a gun for protection. It doesn't mean you intend to use it. Why do I even have to say this? :rolleyes:

They would be still alive if they didn't attack him!
He inserted himself into a volatile situation.
He didn't have to be there. He travelled there. He chose to be there. With a gun.
And now two people are dead.
And people are applauding this kid for his vigilantism.



I'm from Canada so I really don't understand America's big love affair with guns. It makes me pretty queasy, actually. Reading stuff like this, along with all the mass shootings that are constantly taking place, makes me grateful that I live here and not there.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
He inserted himself into a volatile situation.
He didn't have to be there. He travelled there. He chose to be there. With a gun.
And now two people are dead.
And people are applauding this kid for his vigilantism.



I'm from Canada so I really don't understand America's big love affair with guns. It makes me pretty queasy, actually. Reading stuff like this, along with all the mass shootings that are constantly taking place, makes me grateful that I live here and not there.
This was not vigilantism! He wasn't targeting anyone or set out to go after people! He was being attacked by multiple people, who were beating him and knocked him to the ground!

He had as much right to be there as the rioters! He was trying to help the community, meanwhile Rosenbaum, the serial child rapist who was blown away, was trying to blow up a gas station!

I mean, are there two different cases we're discussing here? Because it certainly seems like it!
 

Suave

Simulated character
I support self-defense. So he was in the right to use deadly force, regardless That one of them was a convicted child rapist and he's dead, is a bonus in my eyes.

I'm not a Republican. I don't vote by party lines.

I agree Kyle Rittenhouse used legally justifiable lethal force n self-defense. However, what if he had killed somebody who were chemically castrated and as a rehabilitated person no longer posed a threat to innocent children. Would you really still consider the killing of such a former child rapist to be beneficial towards society?
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This was not vigilantism! He wasn't targeting anyone or set out to go after people! He was being attacked by multiple people, who were beating him and knocked him to the ground!

He had as much right to be there as the rioters! He was trying to help the community, meanwhile Rosenbaum, the serial child rapist who was blown away, was trying to blow up a gas station!

I mean, are there two different cases we're discussing here? Because it certainly seems like it!
You gave it away when you said he was "trying to help the community."
His "help" consisted of inserting himself into a volatile situation with a gun in hand, masquerading as some sort of law enforcement or something.
Some big help he turned out to be, eh? Oh, I see you are happy that he killed a guy. Well, I'm not. And that's not Kyle's job.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
This was not vigilantism! He wasn't targeting anyone or set out to go after people! He was being attacked by multiple people, who were beating him and knocked him to the ground!

He had as much right to be there as the rioters! He was trying to help the community, meanwhile Rosenbaum, the serial child rapist who was blown away, was trying to blow up a gas station!

I mean, are there two different cases we're discussing here? Because it certainly seems like it!

Yeah, we are from different cultures and thus have different perspectives.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
There was no vigilantism involved in this case. He wasn't setting out to go after people.
That's why he went to a place where he assertly could protect some property. He went there heavily armed.

He could have gone there with a good camera to film anyone doing bad things and turn the film over to the proper authorities.

He went there as a vigilante:
vig·i·lan·te
/ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē/

noun
  1. a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

The only difference between the definition and what he did, is that he went outside his own community.

If the only way you can make your case is to argue with commonly accepted usage and definitions of the English language, then you have already lost the argument.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I was talking about the death toll of the 2020 riots combined, and here:
2020–2021 United States racial unrest - Wikipedia
(box on the right under "casualties")

Also:
At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020 | Protest | The Guardian


The fact that you're an American and this is all news to you says something.


I take it that these 25 deaths include both protesters and counter protestors.

How many gun related deaths were there in the same period.?
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Kyle Rittenhouse recounts Kenosha riots, reacts to media portrayal of trial in first interview since acquittal

I just love the true spirit if the REAL American youth.

I mean, this guy is just incredibly well balanced and for his age he has the wisdom of a 50 year old, the brave heart of the 17 Yo men who fought in the World Wars and Vietnam, the compassion of Desmond T. Doss, and i think the law of fairness is imprinted on his conscience.

Damn are all those media anchors who condemned him as a white supremacist, a murderer, a militia, and all the other terrible stuff they said about him.
Damned are BLM, the QWERTY community, Antifa, and the organisations who defunded the police and refused assistance to the Citizens of Kenosha.
Damned are all the Democratic leaders who tried to influence the Judicial procedure, tried to lie about the truth, and wanted an inocent man jailed for life.

And what about Nadler, who still think he has the power to change righteousness into a political Judge and Jury to get an inocent man locked up. He is a fool indeed to deny the facts we all see during the trial.

Biden...
Remember how you lied to the American people about Kyle before all the facts were on the table?
Remember how you used an inocent man to get votes from criminal organisations?
I see he, Biden, is still flaming the fans of getting a young American hero defamed for his impecable character!

What nonsense!

There is only one way Biden can ask forgiveness to Kyle Rittenhouse for what he did...

Give him the Congressional medal of Honor.

This way all the Dem leaders, such as Nancy and her gang will shut the heck up!

It was self-defense, but a hero...?
Oh, come on...
 
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