Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

[Revoltingest]

So Rittenhouse was working for pay for either the dealership (an an employee) or himself (as a contractor). His presence there violated the law; there's just a question of whether the party that broke the law was the dealership or Rittenhouse himself.

How was he paid?
Licensing laws & compensation can be complicated.
Whether accepting money for the work would be
illegal would be a matter for a court or licensing
board to decide.

 

[esmith]

If you didn't want my opinion, why did you ask for it?

Just wanted to see if you have changed your mind and obviously you haven't, probably have gotten more hostile toward firearms.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

You do realize that if you are not a resident of the State you are legally purchasing the firearm in you must go through a Federal Fireamrs LIcensed (FFL) dealer.
In other words if I am a resident of State A and go to State B and purchase a firearm I must have the firearm shipped by a FFL of State B to a FFL in State A and I must conform to the laws of State B and the FFL in State B must conform to the laws of State A.
Therefore your Illinois Indiana is a moot point.
I don't know how many times I have had to point this out to a certain member of the forum who can't seem to understand the law.

Or have a resident of one state purchase it and you smuggle it into yours. Or that person smuggles it in for you.

 

[ChristineM]

I suspect that callous attitudes lurk in every country.
And France looks like no peaceful paradise.
France to send police special forces to violence-hit Guadeloupe
Violence erupts at Covid curb protest in Brussels

BTW you have the Huns right next door.
Who knows when they might want to march again, eh.

Guadalupe is not France but a french protectorate almost on your doorstep
And Brussels is Belgium, different country but they are part of the EU

But i hear american geography lessons leave a lot to be desired.

Huns too are part of the EU and neo nazies are not particularly well tolerated there

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes I agree that a "straw" purchase is illegal. To legally purchase a firearm.
However, it is not illegal to purchase a firearm as a gift to another and give it to them. However they must reside in the same State.

And they didn't. Black lives in Wisconsin and Rittenhouse lives in Illinois.

I think it stretches the limits of credulity to call their arrangement a "gift," though. Rittenhouse gave Black the money to buy the gun with the understanding that Black would provide the gun to Rittenhouse. This isn't a "gift" arrangement.

If they do not reside in the same State it must be transfered by a FFL dealer to another FFL dealer, and all laws of both States must be met.
Note: purchasing a firearm as a gift is a "sticky" proposition and it is not reccomended.

Especially when it's a straw purchase and not a gift.

BTW: those existing firearm laws you say should be enforced better... would that include prosecuting people who use a straw purchaser to obtain firearms they can't legally purchase directly?

 

[Revoltingest]

Guadalupe is not France but a french protectorate almost on your doorstep
And Brussels is Belgium, different country but they are part of the EU

But i hear american geography lessons leave a lot to be desired.

Huns too are part of the EU and neo nazies are not particularly well tolerated there

They're still French....a people who need lessons on capitalization.

 

[esmith]

Or have a resident of one state purchase it and you smuggle it into yours. Or that person smuggles it in for you.

Note: I stated legally.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I'm not going to attempt to explain the concept of self-defense to you again. No idea why you can't grasp it. If you'd let someone murder you, that's your business. I wouldn't.

Self defense begins with awareness of one's environment and making decisions to avoid physical confrontation.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Note: I stated legally.

Note: I never did. My response was to how having lax firearm regulation in one area can impact neighboring areas with stricter regulations.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just wanted to see if you have changed your mind and obviously you haven't, probably have gotten more hostile toward firearms.

I'm fine with firearms. They're useful tools for hunting and sport. Some of them are quite beautiful; a few have real historical value.

Still, they have inherent dangers and shouldn't be handled in irresponsible or reckless ways, including by people who don't have the skills or training needed to use and care for them properly. The law should reflect this; in the US, it generally doesn't.

 

[esmith]

BTW: those existing firearm laws you say should be enforced better... would that include prosecuting people who use a straw purchaser to obtain firearms they can't legally purchase directly?

The world is going to come to an end.....I agree with you.
Also, lying on Form ATF 4473 should be enforced but in most cases it isn't.

I can remember purchasing my first centerfire rifle. Was 14 at the time and ordered a 1903 Sprinfield from a magazine and it came railway express (no not pony express)
Took me forever to clean the cosmoline off it.

 

[Quagmire]

Unfortunately the dead can't give their side of events either ...

And too bad, because then people could ignore what they had to say too.

 

[oldbadger]

I just love the true spirit if the REAL American youth.

Over here we mostly just remember the youth who took an assault rifle out in the streets and shot a man in the back..... and booing himself in the courtroom.

Now just watch for the copy cats.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How was he paid?

I'm not sure that he was. I haven't heard anything about him actually being paid, only that a promise of payment was made (though I'm not sure I take Rittenhouse at his word - there may not have been any actual promise).

However, someone working for pay doesn't become retroactively a "volunteer" just because they were stiffed on their pay.

Licensing laws & compensation can be complicated.
Whether accepting money for the work would be
illegal would be a matter for a court or licensing
board to decide.

Sure. Either way, though, he claims he was "stand[ing] watch for security purposes," so - again, if we believe him - he would have been a "private security person" as far as the State of Wisconsin is concerned.

 

[ChristineM]

They're still French....a people who need lessons on capitalization.

No they are not still french (lower case) try telling a belgian that he/she is french

Btw, not every country follows american protocol on capitalisation. I caught me out a few times when i moved here

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not sure that he was. I haven't heard anything about him actually being paid, only that a promise of payment was made (though I'm not sure I take Rittenhouse at his word - there may not have been any actual promise).

However, someone working for pay doesn't become retroactively a "volunteer" just because they were stiffed on their pay.


Sure. Either way, though, he claims he was "stand[ing] watch for security purposes," so - again, if we believe him - he would have been a "private security person" as far as the State of Wisconsin is concerned.

Hah! Don't be so certain about illegality.
You've never dealt with our licensing laws.
It appears to be an open issue, albeit de minimis.

 

[Revoltingest]

No they are not still french (lower case) try telling a belgian that he/she is french

Btw, not every country follows american protocol on capitalisation. I caught me out a few times when i moved here

I notice that you capitalize your own name.
And even capitalize the "F" in "French", "France", & "Froggistan".

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Kyle Rittenhouse recounts Kenosha riots, reacts to media portrayal of trial in first interview since acquittal

I just love the true spirit if the REAL American youth.

I mean, this guy is just incredibly well balanced and for his age he has the wisdom of a 50 year old, the brave heart of the 17 Yo men who fought in the World Wars and Vietnam, the compassion of Desmond T. Doss, and i think the law of fairness is imprinted on his conscience.

Damn are all those media anchors who condemned him as a white supremacist, a murderer, a militia, and all the other terrible stuff they said about him.
Damned are BLM, the QWERTY community, Antifa, and the organisations who defunded the police and refused assistance to the Citizens of Kenosha.
Damned are all the Democratic leaders who tried to influence the Judicial procedure, tried to lie about the truth, and wanted an inocent man jailed for life.

And what about Nadler, who still think he has the power to change righteousness into a political Judge and Jury to get an inocent man locked up. He is a fool indeed to deny the facts we all see during the trial.

Biden...
Remember how you lied to the American people about Kyle before all the facts were on the table?
Remember how you used an inocent man to get votes from criminal organisations?
I see he, Biden, is still flaming the fans of getting a young American hero defamed for his impecable character!

What nonsense!

There is only one way Biden can ask forgiveness to Kyle Rittenhouse for what he did...

Give him the Congressional medal of Honor.

This way all the Dem leaders, such as Nancy and her gang will shut the heck up!

What a very sad post.

The Guy killed two and wounded another. People who would still be alive if he had minded his own business and stayed home.
It is perfectly legal for people to protest.
It is also perfectly legal to try to disarm him when he had already shot one of them.
Vigilantes should be put away for a long time. they are a disgrace to humanity.

 

[ChristineM]

I notice that you capitalize your own name.
And even capitalize the "F" in "French", "France", & "Froggistan".

Actually personal names are capitalised. And countries/regions etc.
However there is considerable difference from that point.

However I've never been one for following convention.

And i have no problems with grammar/spelling nazies

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually personal names are capitalised. And countries/regions etc.
However there is considerable difference from that point.

However I've never been one for following convention.

And i have no problems with grammar/spelling nazies

We prefer "fanatic" or "loser" to "nazi".