Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Kyle Rittenhouse is pictured giving either a friendly O.K. hand gesture or a white power sign to known Proud Boy members. They are a right wing militia group consisting of many white supremacists, this according to the Anti Defamation League. Because Kyle Rittenhouse has associated himself with members belonging to a right wing militia group consisting of many white supremacists, perhaps we might not wish to consider a suspected racist or suspected white supremacist as being a hero.

Lol, you serious? The Proud Boys' leader is black and Latino, and the guys Kyle killed or injured were all white.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Who voted him judge, jury and executioner to deserve rewarding to taking lives

Damn i am so glad I don't live i America whit such attitudes prevalent

Me too.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who voted him judge, jury and executioner to deserve rewarding to taking lives

Damn i am so glad I don't live i America whit such attitudes prevalent

I'm not going to attempt to explain the concept of self-defense to you again. No idea why you can't grasp it. If you'd let someone murder you, that's your business. I wouldn't.

 

[ChristineM]

Lol, you serious? The Proud Boys' leader is black and Latino.

I am sure he sa

I'm not going to attempt to explain the concept of self-defense to you again. No idea why you can't grasp it. If you'd let someone murder you, that's your business. I wouldn't.

Don't try and impose your version of self defence on me. I can look after myself and am certain i don't need to kill, to take a life to defend myself. Do me shooting someone is just a cheap easy cop out. But hey, you enjoy it

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm not going to attempt to explain the concept of self-defense to you again. No idea why you can't grasp it. If you'd let someone murder you, that's your business. I wouldn't.

Well, I get how it was self-defense. But he should have been found guilty of criminal neglect, since he has no business being there with a rifle and he is guilty of having brought himself in a position, where he had to kill.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Lol, you serious? The Proud Boys' leader is black and Latino.

So now we have another layer of kettle logic:

- it was just an innocent "okay" gesture.
- it was a racist gesture, but he was duped into making it innocently.
- he did it intentionally, but the Proud Boys aren't racist.

I'm interested to see what the next argument is.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am sure he sa


Don't try and impose your version of self defence on me. I can look after myself and am certain i don't need to kill, to take a life to defend myself. Do me shooting someone is just a cheap easy cop out. But hey, you enjoy it

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I get how it was self-defense. But he should have been found guilty of criminal neglect, since he has no business being there with a rifle and he is guilty of having brought himself in a position, where he had to kill.

He didn't do anything wrong. He went to try to protect businesses from looting, help provide aid and there's nothing wrong with carrying a gun for protection in a dangerous situation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Damn i am so glad I don't live i America where such callous attitudes to human life prevalent

I suspect that callous attitudes lurk in every country.
And France looks like no peaceful paradise.
France to send police special forces to violence-hit Guadeloupe
Violence erupts at Covid curb protest in Brussels

BTW you have the Huns right next door.
Who knows when they might want to march again, eh.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He didn't do anything wrong. He went to try to protect businesses from looting, help provide aid and there's nothing wrong with carrying a gun for protection in a dangerous situation.

If we believe him, he was there as an unlicensed, untrained, underage armed security guard.

He's even said that he and his buddy understood that the car dealership would pay them, so - again, if we believe him - we can't even say that he was there as a volunteer.

Wisconsin requires security guards to be licensed. The state requires a special, higher level of license for armed security guards. Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't even be capable of meeting the license requirements for another 3 years, even if he took all the required training and passed the drug screening and background checks.

He was there illegally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wisconsin requires security guards to be licensed. The state requires a special, higher level of license for armed security guards.

Reading your link, the requirements appear to apply
to professionals, ie, hired. How are you claiming that
the law applies to Rittenhouse?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Fortunately for Rittenhouse, there was plenty of surveillance video objectively showing what transpired around him.

Not necessarily for what was said though perhaps, as to his accusations - threats and such.

 

[metis]

Some should be aware of the fact that state boundaries do not miraculously stop firearms at their border.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Given the ages of a couple posters here,
will either of us remember the bet when
the time comes?

Do I know you?

Actually, I have a pornographic memory.

Wait, porno, photo...which one is that?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Reading your link, the requirements appear to apply
to professionals, ie, hired. How are you claiming that
the law applies to Rittenhouse?

There's nothing about employment here:

“Private security person” means any private police, guard or any person who stands watch for security purposes.

DSPS Private Detectives and Private Security Personnel

And Rittenhouse has testified that the dealership promised to pay them, so - if we believe Rittenhouse - it would seem he was there as an employee anyhow.

 

[esmith]

So - as a for instance - you agree that it would be illegal for an Illinois resident to:

- buy a firearm in Wisconsin using a Wisconsin resident as a straw purchaser, and

- make arrangements for the straw purchaser to hand over the gun to the Illinois resident at a later date without going through a licensed firearm dealer.

... right?

Yes I agree that a "straw" purchase is illegal. To legally purchase a firearm.
However, it is not illegal to purchase a firearm as a gift to another and give it to them. However they must reside in the same State.
If they do not reside in the same State it must be transfered by a FFL dealer to another FFL dealer, and all laws of both States must be met.
Note: purchasing a firearm as a gift is a "sticky" proposition and it is not reccomended.

 

[Revoltingest]

There's nothing about employment here:

DSPS Private Detectives and Private Security Personnel

Your link is a training company.
The governing body is actually....
DSPS Home''
It deals with professions....not amateur activities.

And Rittenhouse has testified that the dealership promised to pay them, so - if we believe Rittenhouse - it would seem he was there as an employee anyhow.

Either employee or contractor.
Issues would be....
Was he paid?
How was he paid?

 

[esmith]

Off the top of my head:

- shockingly low levels of regulation of handguns
- large-capacity magazines are generally legal
- shockingly poor requirements for safe storage
- no firearm registries to speak of
- deadly force against someone not presenting a deadly threat is often legal (depending on the state)
- "stand your ground" laws (again, depending on the state)
- shockingly low requirements for training (again, varies by state)

Those are opinions only and my opinion disagrees with your opinion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Either employee or contractor.

So Rittenhouse was working for pay for either the dealership (an an employee) or himself (as a contractor). His presence there violated the law; there's just a question of whether the party that broke the law was the dealership or Rittenhouse himself.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Those are opinions only and my opinion disagrees with your opinion.

If you didn't want my opinion, why did you ask for it?