Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

[ecco]

What is this picture supposed to prove?

Proof? It is evidence that Scumbags of a feather flock together.

 

[ecco]

Don't ya just love it when someone settles for the most simple-minded explanations because they're the only ones that support their position?

I'm not sure who you were directing your comment to. If it was me, I'll stand by using commonly accepted definitions to guide our communications.

If you think that is a simple-minded explanation, then I suggest you look up the definition for "explanation".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hmm...my Jewish friend is very much in favor of the militias. I doubt that would be the case if he thought they were anti semitic.

Maybe he isn't the clearest of thinkers.

After all, you say your friend think that citizen militias are a good idea, so that already raises some questions about his thought processes.

 

[Wildswanderer]

People of colour can still lend support to institutions and organizations that support white supremacy. The Proud Boys are a clear an unambiguous example of a group founded on white supremacist ideology, who exist to agitate civil rights groups and provide militarized support for white supremacists. More recently, their focus has shifted away from racial politics and more onto broadly "angry young men" and open misogynists incorporating people of various races into the group. Make no mistake, though. Whatever the colour or stated aims of the group, they ultimately provide support and protection for the dominant white supremacist positions and movements.

Lol, what hogwash. All your statements are unbacked by facts and are in fact nothing but media talk.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Maybe he isn't the clearest of thinkers.

After all, you say your friend think that citizen militias are a good idea, so that already raises some questions about his thought processes.

Why? This country wouldn't exist without the original citizen militia.

 

[Wildswanderer]

We are all different, thus within any particular group there are going to be exceptions. But one thing I know is that many to most of these militia groups tend to be ultra-right and racist oriented

Define "many". I can say " many" natives are very hateful towards police because I've seen it. But that doesn't mean I know what most are.
Many people are all sorts of things. Many blacks are racist against white people for example. That doesn't mean most are.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Proof? It is evidence that Scumbags of a feather flock together.

All I saw were a couple guys with masks on. What makes them scumbags?

 

[Quagmire]

I'm not sure who you were directing your comment to. If it was me, I'll stand by using commonly accepted definitions to guide our communications.

If you think that is a simple-minded explanation, then I suggest you look up the definition for "explanation".

I'll be sure and give that the same consideration I'd give any other suggestions from you.

 

[metis]

Define "many". I can say " many" natives are very hateful towards police because I've seen it. But that doesn't mean I know what most are.
Many people are all sorts of things. Many blacks are racist against white people for example. That doesn't mean most are.

Again, as usual, all you are trying to do is to cover up the simple fact as others have also covered that militia groups like the Proud Boys are largely consisted of white supremacists even if all aren't.

And why would a Christian defend such racism and religious bigotry? And why would a Christian defend Trump's constant spewing of vitriol, whereas Jesus taught us the "law of love"? And why would a person who actually loves this country and accepts the Constitution defend a man who tried to overthrow our election and constantly praises "strong leaders", such as Vladimir Putin and even Saddam Hussein?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Again, as usual, all you are trying to do is to cover up the simple fact as others have also covered that militia groups like the Proud Boys are largely consisted of white supremacists even if all aren't.

Only it's not a fact. It's an allegation that you have not demonstrated to be true.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Again, as usual, all you are trying to do is to cover up the simple fact as others have also covered that militia groups like the Proud Boys are largely consisted of white supremacists even if all aren't.

And why would a Christian defend such racism and religious bigotry? And why would a Christian defend Trump's constant spewing of vitriol, whereas Jesus taught us the "law of love"? And why would a person who actually loves this country and accepts the Constitution defend a man who tried to overthrow our election and constantly praises "strong leaders", such as Vladimir Putin and even Saddam Hussein?

Why are you dragging Trump into every conversation? It's a weird obsession with you seems like.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Lol, what hogwash. All your statements are unbacked by facts and are in fact nothing but media talk.

This really isn't that difficult to grasp. If a black person gets into real estate or insurance in the early 1900s, and participates in redlining because it is an accepted practice and earns them extra money, they are still participating in a racist system that oppresses black people despite being black themselves.

The idea that "X cannot be racist/white supremacist because there are black people involved in it" is really very silly if you stop and think about it for more than five seconds. It's also an example of identity politics, which is something the right claims they are fighting against.

As for the rest of my claims about the Proud Boys, this is all based on publicly available information. Their founder espoused white supremacy, they attended the rally in Charlottesville where they marched side by side with outright Nazis and cheered white supremacist speeches, they are openly hostile to civil rights groups, are trained to agitate peaceful protests in order to start fights and openly declare themselves chauvinists.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why? This country wouldn't exist without the original citizen militia.

I don't have a very high opinion of the "original citizen militias" of the American Revolution. They were generally opponents of political and religious liberty, IMO.

And I think you're fooling yourself if you think that the modern fad of racist numpties playing in the woods with guns has anything to do with the militias of the American Revolution.

 

[metis]

Only it's not a fact. It's an allegation that you have not demonstrated to be true.

OK:
The Proud Boys is an American far-right, neo-fascist, and exclusively male organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][6]

The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine in 2016 under the leadership of Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes,[1] taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 Disney musical Aladdin.[7] Although the Proud Boys initially emerged as part of the alt-right,[1] McInnes distanced himself from this movement in early 2017, saying the Proud Boys were alt-lite while the alt-right's focus was on race.[8] The re-branding effort intensified following the white supremacist Unite the Right rally.[9] Enrique Tarrio has been the chairman of the Proud Boys since late 2018.[1][10][11][12] According to a former federal prosecutor and the transcripts of a 2014 federal court proceeding, Tarrio had previously served as an informant to both federal and local law enforcement.[1][13][14]

According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, though the group officially rejects white supremacy, many of their views have elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory.[15] Furthermore, members have in the past participated in overtly racist events and events centered around fascist, anti-left, and anti-socialist violence.[15] The Proud Boys glorifies violence, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has called the group an "alt-right fight club" that uses rhetorical devices to obscure its actual motives.[16][17][18] The organization has been described as a hate group by NPR's The Takeaway and the SPLC.[19] The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has described the Proud Boys as "extremist conservative" and "alt lite", "overtly Islamophobic and misogynistic", "transphobic and anti-immigration", "all too willing to embrace racists, antisemites and bigots of all kinds", and notes the group's promotion and use of violence as a core tactic.[20]... -- Proud Boys - Wikipedia

Now, let's see if you can prove the above is supposedly wrong?

Again, it seems that we're learning a lot about you.

 

[metis]

Why are you dragging Trump into every conversation? It's a weird obsession with you seems like.

No, it's because I hate racism and dishonesty, and Trump exhibits and harbors both. If you can't or won't make the connection, that's also on you.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What certain people will uni-ironically see when they read this post:

OK:
The Proud Boys is an American far-right, neo-fascist, and exclusively male organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][6]

The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine in 2016 under the leadership of Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes,[1] taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 Disney musical Aladdin.[7] Although the Proud Boys initially emerged as part of the alt-right,[1] McInnes distanced himself from this movement in early 2017, saying the Proud Boys were alt-lite while the alt-right's focus was on race.[8] The re-branding effort intensified following the white supremacist Unite the Right rally.[9] Enrique Tarrio has been the chairman of the Proud Boys since late 2018.[1][10][11][12] According to a former federal prosecutor and the transcripts of a 2014 federal court proceeding, Tarrio had previously served as an informant to both federal and local law enforcement.[1][13][14]

According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, though

the group officially rejects white supremacy,

many of their views have elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory.[15] Furthermore, members have in the past participated in overtly racist events and events centered around fascist, anti-left, and anti-socialist violence.[15] The Proud Boys glorifies violence, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has called the group an "alt-right fight club" that uses rhetorical devices to obscure its actual motives.[16][17][18] The organization has been described as a hate group by NPR's The Takeaway and the SPLC.[19] The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has described the Proud Boys as "extremist conservative" and "alt lite", "overtly Islamophobic and misogynistic", "transphobic and anti-immigration", "all too willing to embrace racists, antisemites and bigots of all kinds", and notes the group's promotion and use of violence as a core tactic.[20]... -- Proud Boys - Wikipedia

Now, let's see if you can prove the above is supposedly wrong?

Again, it seems that we're learning a lot about you.

CHECKMATE, LIBERALS!

 

[ecco]

Why? This country wouldn't exist without the original citizen militia.

YEP! Good thinking. Right along the lines of your leader Donald J. Trump.

Make America Great Again.​

Bring us back to the good old days when men hunted for squirrel and deer. Back to when we overran the local natives. Back to when we were importing dark-skinned people to work the fields. Back to when women couldn't vote. Back to when male life expectancy was 38 years. Back to when child infant mortality was 80 times what it is today.

Back to when America was Great. YeeHaw

ETA:

Why are you dragging Trump into every conversation? It's a weird obsession with you seems like.

Because my comment is directed to you and you are a fervent Trump supporter and follower.

 

[Wildswanderer]

OK:
The Proud Boys is an American far-right, neo-fascist, and exclusively male organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][6]

The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine in 2016 under the leadership of Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes,[1] taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 Disney musical Aladdin.[7] Although the Proud Boys initially emerged as part of the alt-right,[1] McInnes distanced himself from this movement in early 2017, saying the Proud Boys were alt-lite while the alt-right's focus was on race.[8] The re-branding effort intensified following the white supremacist Unite the Right rally.[9] Enrique Tarrio has been the chairman of the Proud Boys since late 2018.[1][10][11][12] According to a former federal prosecutor and the transcripts of a 2014 federal court proceeding, Tarrio had previously served as an informant to both federal and local law enforcement.[1][13][14]

According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, though the group officially rejects white supremacy, many of their views have elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory.[15] Furthermore, members have in the past participated in overtly racist events and events centered around fascist, anti-left, and anti-socialist violence.[15] The Proud Boys glorifies violence, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has called the group an "alt-right fight club" that uses rhetorical devices to obscure its actual motives.[16][17][18] The organization has been described as a hate group by NPR's The Takeaway and the SPLC.[19] The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has described the Proud Boys as "extremist conservative" and "alt lite", "overtly Islamophobic and misogynistic", "transphobic and anti-immigration", "all too willing to embrace racists, antisemites and bigots of all kinds", and notes the group's promotion and use of violence as a core tactic.[20]... -- Proud Boys - Wikipedia

Now, let's see if you can prove the above is supposedly wrong?

Again, it seems that we're learning a lot about you.

Wikipedia is not a viable source. Anyone can post anything there. And NPR and your other listed sources are all leftist with an agenda of thier own.
I'm sure there are some racist people in their group just like there some racists in BLM. That doesn't make them a white supremacist group.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because my comment is directed to you and you are a fervent Trump supporter and follower

Wrong. I'm neither. I don't even like Trump.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, it's because I hate racism and dishonesty, and Trump exhibits and harbors both. If you can't or won't make the connection, that's also on you.

Trump isn't president and has nothing to do with this conversation.