Rittenhouse. What an American Hero. Will Biden apologise?

[We Never Know]

Kyle Rittenhouse recounts Kenosha riots, reacts to media portrayal of trial in first interview since acquittal

I just love the true spirit if the REAL American youth.

I mean, this guy is just incredibly well balanced and for his age he has the wisdom of a 50 year old, the brave heart of the 17 Yo men who fought in the World Wars and Vietnam, the compassion of Desmond T. Doss, and i think the law of fairness is imprinted on his conscience.

Damn are all those media anchors who condemned him as a white supremacist, a murderer, a militia, and all the other terrible stuff they said about him.
Damned are BLM, the QWERTY community, Antifa, and the organisations who defunded the police and refused assistance to the Citizens of Kenosha.
Damned are all the Democratic leaders who tried to influence the Judicial procedure, tried to lie about the truth, and wanted an inocent man jailed for life.

And what about Nadler, who still think he has the power to change righteousness into a political Judge and Jury to get an inocent man locked up. He is a fool indeed to deny the facts we all see during the trial.

Biden...
Remember how you lied to the American people about Kyle before all the facts were on the table?
Remember how you used an inocent man to get votes from criminal organisations?
I see he, Biden, is still flaming the fans of getting a young American hero defamed for his impecable character!

What nonsense!

There is only one way Biden can ask forgiveness to Kyle Rittenhouse for what he did...

Give him the Congressional medal of Honor.

This way all the Dem leaders, such as Nancy and her gang will shut the heck up!

Its amazing how this 17 year old kid who was in a place he shouldn't have been in is hailed as a hero by many. He's lucky he left the riot alive and the courts a free man.
Hero, not even close in my book.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Something comes to mind here: the protests and riots where the whole incident happened were about an excessively violent shooting by cops--which took place just a few months after the killing of George Floyd by three cops.

On top of that, if Rittenhouse's presence with a gun was needed, then that's another reason to question the preparedness and competence of the police. What kind of law enforcement waits until armed citizens with insufficient training join high-tension areas, whether through perceived need or otherwise?

It certainly looks like there's a solid case to be made that excessively violent and improperly trained cops are the main problem and should be held accountable for what happened more than anyone else, including Kyle Rittenhouse himself.

 

[ChristineM]

According to the judge, taking the weapon there wasn't a violation of Wisconsin's law. If that's indeed the case, it actually seems even more problematic to me than if it were illegal and Rittenhouse had still been acquitted of that charge.

That it's legal means the problem shifts from being about Rittenhouse to being about an entire state's law and said law's tacit enabling of irresponsible and dangerous possession of guns.

It is said the law is an *** for good reason. I understand the minimum age to carry a gun in Wisconsin is 21.

I also just read "Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

I also understand he carried his weapon from Illinois (where it is also illegal to carry a gun under age 21) across the state line to Wisconsin.

But hey ho, a judge says otherwise

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh barf.

The kid's an instigator.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What people seem to be missing, or ignoring, is the fact that in this country a lot of people have come to see a need for things like untrained teenagers with assault weapons patrolling areas of unrest.

I don't know what it was like anywhere else but I'll tell you something; the riots we had here in 2020-- including the 25+ people who were killed --- didn't get anywhere near the media play the Kyle Incident did.

It's lopsided reporting. I guess we're supposed to go into mourning for a child molester and a wife beater who got shot because, hello, they were running at a scared teenager holding an assault weapon, and ignore the the cops who were killed for doing their job or the innocent bystanders who got killed because they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



You mean, for instance, the laws that allowed someone who's been convicted of molesting 11 children to just walk around free and feel
confident enough in his immunity from legal consequences to grab a skateboard and go into a crowd looking for somebody's head to bash in? I agree, definitely something wrong there.



I think that's because most people outside of the US see the problems we're having here as kind of a spectator sport, so you have the luxury of rooting for whatever team you favor.

Okay, so you're advocating for ... vigilantism?

 

[Nakosis]

Kyle Rittenhouse recounts Kenosha riots, reacts to media portrayal of trial in first interview since acquittal

I just love the true spirit if the REAL American youth.

I mean, this guy is just incredibly well balanced and for his age he has the wisdom of a 50 year old, the brave heart of the 17 Yo men who fought in the World Wars and Vietnam, the compassion of Desmond T. Doss, and i think the law of fairness is imprinted on his conscience.

Damn are all those media anchors who condemned him as a white supremacist, a murderer, a militia, and all the other terrible stuff they said about him.
Damned are BLM, the QWERTY community, Antifa, and the organisations who defunded the police and refused assistance to the Citizens of Kenosha.
Damned are all the Democratic leaders who tried to influence the Judicial procedure, tried to lie about the truth, and wanted an inocent man jailed for life.

And what about Nadler, who still think he has the power to change righteousness into a political Judge and Jury to get an inocent man locked up. He is a fool indeed to deny the facts we all see during the trial.

Biden...
Remember how you lied to the American people about Kyle before all the facts were on the table?
Remember how you used an inocent man to get votes from criminal organisations?
I see he, Biden, is still flaming the fans of getting a young American hero defamed for his impecable character!

What nonsense!

There is only one way Biden can ask forgiveness to Kyle Rittenhouse for what he did...

Give him the Congressional medal of Honor.

This way all the Dem leaders, such as Nancy and her gang will shut the heck up!

He is a extremely lucky young man.
He purchased the weapon or actually gave the money to this Black fellow to purchase the gun for him using the money given to him by the government vis his Covid-19 relief check.

If you want to blame anyone for his acquittal, blame the Wisconsin lawmakers for the vague laws.

Consider if he hadn't brought his gun. Likely none of the rioters would have paid him much attention. The guy who bought him the gun may face charges for supplying the gun to a minor.

 

[Estro Felino]

Rittenhouse was a reckless fool whose recklessness and foolishness ultimately left two people dead and one wounded.

The verdict says that 12 people - the ones whose opinion count in the legal system - were not sure beyond a reasonable doubt that his fatal actions that night were reckless and foolish in a way that violated Wisconsin law (edit: at least with regard to the specific laws he was charged with breaking).

His actions still aren't praiseworthy.

Being a minor is penally relevant condition that by definition excludes the full capacity. Capability of understanding and wanting.

I am more worried by those adults who acted like minors, in this case.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Okay, so you're advocating for ... vigilantism?

I didn't read the comment that way, personally. I can see where some people are coming from when they point out that armed individuals like Rittenhouse were asked to be around by some business owners or the like.

Back in 2011 during the Egyptian Revolution, police presence on the street was quite scarce and insufficient to protect people and property from being attacked or looted by convicted felons who had escaped from prison during the turmoil. Civilians had no choice but to rely on vigilantism. Most didn't have firearms, but the concept of needing help from individuals who aren't in law enforcement to protect oneself or one's property is not novel or always unnecessary.

 

[Quagmire]

Apprehending or subduing an active shooter is generally more about defense of others.

Even giving them the benefit of a doubt that that was their motive (which I think is being pretty generous), so Huber and Grosskreutz are heros for taking the law into their own hands but Rittenhouse is a vilian for. . .

... .taking the law into his own hands.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even giving them the benefit of a doubt that that was their motive (which I think is being pretty generous), so Huber and Grosskreutz are heros for taking the law into their own hands but Rittenhouse is a vilian for. . .

... .taking the law into his own hands.

Why do you think that's generous?

BTW: did you watch the interview? Particularly when Rittenhouse describes his two interactions with Grosskreutz?

 

[Yerda]

I don't know enough about the situation or the trial to comment on him being guilty of murder. I have found the whole affair to be useful way of spotting the nazis in our midst though. Thanks OP.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Being a minor is penally relevant condition that by definition excludes the full capacity. Capability of understanding and wanting.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that Rittenhouse's actions were improper, but that he's excused by a lack of capacity. Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Estro Felino]

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that Rittenhouse's actions were improper, but that he's excused by a lack of capacity. Is that what you're trying to say?

No...I am just saying that he was in good faith, he was trying to be helpful.
Unlike others who were there to destroy.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Being a minor is penally relevant condition that by definition excludes the full capacity. Capability of understanding and wanting.

I am more worried by those adults who acted like minors, in this case.

Well, you don't have to worry now. The adults who acted are dead, while the teen might get to go on to work, to experience life, to possibly be a celebrity, etc.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No...I am just saying that he was in good faith, he was trying to be helpful.
Unlike others who were there to destroy.

Gaige Grosskreutz was there as a volunteer medic to provide first aid to anyone who needed it.

 

[Quagmire]

I believe my picture is clear from the bits of the trial and transcripts i have read. To me it's simple. A teenager took a weapon illegally into an area of unrest

What law did he break?

and wound up killing 2 people.
In most other countries he would have faced manslaughter (or equivalent) charges and would no doubt have been found guilty. However the American justice system is not like that of most of the world and he was found not guilty of the charges against him. I personally think a poor prosecution tilted the trial in his favour.

I am not arguing American law though nor have i said he "murdered". What i do say is that he killed people, (no argument to that)

The situation is that the American public are now even more divided between left and right and the rest of the world is left scratching its head

I'm not really interested in how anybody feels about all this or what people in other countries think of the American judicial system, politics, etc..

All I'm saying is that if we're going to be talking about this and posting our opinions and conclusions on the internet, we all have a responsibility to make sure we're basing those conclusions on accurate, and to whatever extent possible, complete information.

In the post I responded to you claimed that Rittenhouse crossed state lines with an illegal gun. That rumor, along with a lot of other rumors that have been circulating from the beginning has been debunked. It may seem like a small detail in the bigger picture but it suggests to me that you've only heard one side of the story.

The video gives everybody a chance to hear Rittenhouse's side of things.

 

[Quagmire]

Okay, so you're advocating for ... vigilantism?

Sorry, not taking the bait.

 

[ChristineM]

What law did he break?

I have listed the gun laws i believe he broke but a judge thinks he is higher than state gun laws.

I'm not really interested in how anybody feels about all this or what people in other countries think of the American judicial system, politics, etc..

Fair enough, goodbye, another time maybe

 

[Quagmire]

Why do you think that's generous?

Because there are all sorts of other possible motivations at play in situations like this. A desire to "protect others" is only one possible factor, and in my experience, not one of the more likely ones.

And it certainly isn't something that should just be assumed as if it were the only option.

BTW: did you watch the interview? Particularly when Rittenhouse describes his two interactions with Grosskreutz?

Yes I did. What's your point?

 

[Quagmire]

I have listed the gun laws i believe he broke but a judge thinks he is higher than state gun laws.

Where?

Fair enough, goodbye

I think you missed my point: