RNA Editing of Octopus Linked to Alien Life!

[Salvador]

So we have 10 fingers.....and 10 is a medium range number convenient for a number system base. Base 12 would be better in many ways, though.

But I'd point out we also use base 60 (for time) and many of our number names are base 20 (different number names up to nineteen).

I already did. Do you not read?

I'd hardly consider the ancient Mayans technologically advanced. ...

 

[Sapiens]

I'd hardly consider the ancient Mayans technologically advanced. ...

OK, then I'd hardly consider you to be knowledgeable concerning the Maya.

 

[Salvador]

But I'd point out we also use base 60 (for time) and many of our number names are base 20 (different number names up to nineteen).

Distance is typically measured using base 10 math. With the discovered link between space and time, they can no longer be thought of as two seperate things. Instead, space and time are fused together into what now is known as space-time. This fusion of space-time means the difference between past, present and future is only an illusion. Rather than thinking of time as continuous ,it's useful to think of time as a series of snapshots from moment to moment. If we conceptualize each moment or snapshot in our universe lined up one after another, we would see every moment that has ever happened or will ever happen, every location in space as well as each and every moment in time. Events I think of as happening now in various regions of space can be thought of as a now slice. When taking motion into account, I and somebody else could disagree with what exists on the now slice of time. A far away extraterrestrial being and I who are stationary relative to one another will share the same now time slice. When this distant extraterrestrial turns and starts moving away from me, he now would be in a new time slice that would be in the past from my prospective. When this distant extraterrestrial is moving towards me, he would now be in a new time slice that would be in the future from my prospective. Just as how we think of all of space is out there, the past, present, and future is out there now all existing together.

 

[Salvador]

OK, then I'd hardly consider you to be knowledgeable concerning the Maya.

I do know the Spaniards pretty much wiped out the Mayans by the seventeenth century; so then, the Mayans couldn't have been that very technologically advanced. ...

 

[Sapiens]

I do know the Spaniards pretty much wiped out the Mayans by the seventeenth century; so then, the Mayans couldn't have been that very technologically advanced. ...

OK, then I'd hardly consider you to be knowledgeable concerning the Maya who were not beaten by superior technology but rather were betrayed by religion.

 

[Salvador]

OK, then I'd hardly consider you to be knowledgeable concerning the Maya who were not beaten by superior technology but rather were betrayed by religion.

"Spanish weaponry included broadswords, rapiers, lances, pikes, halberds, crossbows, matchlocks and light artillery. Maya warriors fought with flint-tipped spears, bows and arrows, stones, and wooden swords with inset obsidian blades, and wore padded cotton armour to protect themselves. The Maya lacked key elements of Old World technology such as a functional wheel, horses, iron, steel, and gunpowder..."

Spanish conquest of the Maya - Wikipedia

According to Wikipedia, the Mayans didn't even possess Old World Technology for defending themselves against the Spaniard Conquest with 17th Century weapons.

 

[Sapiens]

We should be discussing Aztecs not Maya.

But the fact remains that the Spanish victory was not predicated on superior weaponry, after all, it was 508 Spaniards against millions.

It was not Spanish military technology, but rather European diseases, co opted mythos and internal politics that played the major role in the conquest of the Aztecs; the “guns, germs and steel” theory made popular by Jared Diamond. The weapons and armour of the Spaniards were certainly formidable, but more so were the thousands of allies supporting the conquistadors. Smallpox certainly added to the rigours of the siege and disrupted the Aztec chain of command, but it also affected other indigenous peoples, including Cortés’s allies (thanks to HISTORY Extra, a BBC Web Site).

 

[Salvador]

We should be discussing Aztecs not Maya.

But the fact remains that the Spanish victory was not predicated on superior weaponry, after all, it was 508 Spaniards against millions.

It was not Spanish military technology, but rather European diseases, co opted mythos and internal politics that played the major role in the conquest of the Aztecs; the “guns, germs and steel” theory made popular by Jared Diamond. The weapons and armour of the Spaniards were certainly formidable, but more so were the thousands of allies supporting the conquistadors. Smallpox certainly added to the rigours of the siege and disrupted the Aztec chain of command, but it also affected other indigenous peoples, including Cortés’s allies (thanks to HISTORY Extra, a BBC Web Site).

What technology did the Mayans possess that makes you consider them to have been a technologically advanced civilization?

 

[Sapiens]

Have you seen their cities and goldwork? You are making the classic white-guy error of judgement a culture on the basis of it's weapons. The Aztecs were way ahead of the Europeans when it came to the calendar, mathematics, medicine, and their canoes were highly advanced. The Aztecs were among the first societies in the world to make education compulsory for all children. Let's not forget the chinampa system of farming, their stone carving, the step pyramids and the large aqueducts which carried fresh water for bathing into the city of Tenochtitlan.

To prevent muscle spasms and relax the muscles, the Aztecs invented a special kind of antispasmodic medicine using the Passion Flower, which also helped with insomnia, epilepsy, and high blood pressure, all when Europeans were still stuck in "adjusting" their body's humors as indicated by the ancient Greeks and burning herbalists at the stake as witches.

 

[Salvador]

My bad back in post #156 for not precisely defining technologically advanced civilizations. By technologically advanced civilization, I'd meant a civilization having the knowledge and tools to identify the chemical composition of molecules and weigh the molecular structures involved with genetic coding. Of all these technologically advanced civilizations, none of them primarily use a mathematical system based on any other number than ten. ...

The genetic code's embedded semantic message of 037 could've been intended to be received by calculative minds predominately familiar with base 10 math.

 

[Sapiens]

What technology did the Mayans possess that makes you consider them to have been a technologically advanced civilization?

Asked and answered.

 

[Salvador]

Asked and answered.

Thank you for your informative response regarding my question concerning if the Mayans were a technological advanced civilization.

Unfortunately, because of a vaguely worded statement made by me, we got off topic about the significance of base 10 math used to convey/decipher the semantic message of 037 embedded in the genetic code.

 

[masonlandry]

I'm certainly not opposed to the possibility or even plausibility of panspermia being an accurate explanation for all or some of the life on earth. But here's the thing. It needs more than just evidence. Like any scientific theory, it needs evidence that is strongly in support of that theory above the others, it needs to be falsifiable and therefore testable, and it needs to have predictability. Until it reaches that point, it is nowhere near proven, and not even past the point of a working hypothesis. Besides all those problems, I don't think this is as convincing as you [and of course, 33 scientists from such and such authoritative facility] think it is, but this isn't terribly surprising given your willingness to accept genetic "code" as evidence for extraterrestrial creators based purely on an argument from ignorance.

 

[Salvador]

I'm certainly not opposed to the possibility or even plausibility of panspermia being an accurate explanation for all or some of the life on earth. But here's the thing. It needs more than just evidence. Like any scientific theory, it needs evidence that is strongly in support of that theory above the others, it needs to be falsifiable and therefore testable, and it needs to have predictability. Until it reaches that point, it is nowhere near proven, and not even past the point of a working hypothesis. Besides all those problems, I don't think this is as convincing as you [and of course, 33 scientists from such and such authoritative facility] think it is, but this isn't terribly surprising given your willingness to accept genetic "code" as evidence for extraterrestrial creators based purely on an argument from ignorance.

If humans were to seed life from Earth to another planet - i.e.- Mars; then panspermia will not be just hypothesis, panspermia will be a proven fact of life. We are them, we are the aliens. ...

“We know there’s life on Mars already because we sent it there,” - John Grunsfeld, the associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate

 

[masonlandry]

If humans were to seed life from Earth to another planet - i.e.- Mars; then panspermia will not be just hypothesis, panspermia will be a proven fact of life. We are them, we are the aliens. ...

“We know there’s life on Mars already because we sent it there,” - John Grunsfeld, the associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate

Yes, but that's entirely irrelevant to the OP.

 

[Salvador]

Yes, but that's entirely irrelevant to the OP.

If life travels through space from one planet to another where it spreads, that'd be panspermia; If life does indeed travel from Earth to other planets where this life there subsists and reproduces, then does it not seem likely life came to Earth as well from elsewhere? Why would this be that all cosmic life had to originate on Earth? Many Earthlings have made the mistake of believing their planet or Sun is the center universe.

 

[masonlandry]

If humans, a large majority of whose history we know and/or witnessed, were to perpetuate panspermia in the future has no bearing on whether or not something similar happened here, or whether or not cephalapods we're descended from an alien ancestor.

Actually, the fact that we could do that in the future has nothing to do with the question of how life started here. The first life appeared somewhere, and if life can arise from non-life, it probably happened in more than one place. Figuring out if that happened on Earth is a more complicated issue than panspermia being a possibility because we could put life on other planets ourselves .