Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
No. They haven't been.
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Robots
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No. They haven't been.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
No, because they haven't been.. or no, and they haven't been?
I suppose since we came up with the notions of sinners, saints, and robots then they would all be a part of human beings. Good point haha.
waitasec
Veteran Member
are you serious?
are you, or have you ever been, in a meaningful relationship with another person?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
We're All Just Robots.. Humans Only Have More And Differing Options With Our Responses And Experiences Than Most Other Life Forms.. Or Actual Robots. Free Will Becomes More And More Illusory With The More Options We Have To "Choose" From, And With Less Knowledge Of Them, Their Number, And The Reasoning Behind Them. This Is More Our World, Than A Robot's.. Because Of Our Connection To It.
I'm Christian. And Because Of This, I Actually Came To, And Have A Better Understanding Of This Idea.
I Also Suggest That Robots Indeed Have A Lower Level Consciousness. Random And Weird?
If you are loosely using the word 'robot', then i agree with you.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Very serious.
waitasec
Veteran Member
can you answer the second question straightforwardly...
FWIW, i am not expecting you to.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I was hoping you'd answer the ones you quoted first?
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
No, because we have no ability to give either emotion or self-replication to a robot.
We can code a robot to play chess and adapt to specific moves with other specific moves and this simulates human behavior, but in reality it simply contains an extremely structured memory that fulfills parameters within the coding it was supplied and therefore is extremely hard to beat because it can think 1000 moves ahead as opposed to 5 or 6 or however many a human chess master can think. You can additionally program a robot so that when it loses at chess it raises its volume and sweeps the pieces off the board and throws the board across the room just like an angry person might. But this itself would be simply following coded parameters pre-subscribed by the programmer that designed it. You can even tell it to select from a random assortment of reactions and get it to mimic anger even closer than before, but the robot has no ability to add these parameters itself. Thus, it remains only an imitation of emotion and not real emotion.
Similarly, we can program a robot with the necessary parameters to build a similar robot to itself, but since those parameters are coded by a human being, it isn't doing it by itself. We have designed it to do whatever it does. It is human replication of robots whether the robot does it or not. Just as digging a hole with a backhoe is human digging and not backhoe digging. The robot without programming is just a hunk of metal, and with programming simply becomes a tool of human action.
Without the ability to code itself, a robot is not life. And at this particular moment in history we have not even come close to conceiving of a technology that can do this.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Wait, what? Are you implying christians has some sort of innate understanding of freewill and/or robots?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Actually.. No.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
What human do you know of that codes him/herself? As far as I know.. We are all the result of our individual DNA coding and reactions resulting from that to our individual outside experiences. The best we can do is alter our coding.
Why can't a robot have the coding to take from outside sources and implement them into itself according to it's needs or wants?
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waitasec
Veteran Member
did i miss something...?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
waitasec
Veteran Member
no i didn't...the 1st quote was my response to the OP
so have you ever had a meaningful relationship with another human being so i can understand why you would say this
Exactly what Father Heathen said, they aren't self aware. They have consciousness like us, but not self consciousness, in otherwords they're not aware of what they're sensing.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Is that something that can be implemented into a robot (if not already, somewhere)?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
What is consciousness? How does it differ from the mimicking of 'mechanisms, with stimulus-response patterns?'
I'm asking you to answer these questions.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i'm beginning to think you are a robot, who cannot deviate from a stimulated response pattern.
it differs because of the capacity of the improvisational skills we apply to our relationships, hence no patterns are able to be programmed...but you wouldn't understand that now would you, since you don't know what it means to improvise
i am going to call you hal 9000 now...
apophenia
Well-Known Member
This is a huge topic. It was thoroughly debated in the thread "is the internet conscious of itself yet ?"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/science-religion/127734-internet-conscious-itself-yet.html
This thread includes a lot of dialogue between LegionOnomamoi, who is well educated and involved in cognitive science, and Polyhedral, whose area is computing with extensive knowledge of AI (artificial intelligence.
LegionOnomamoi doubts that a machine could ever be conscious, whereas Polyhedral asserts that there is no reason why conscious machines could not exist.
The debate includes lots of reference material. I suggest you read it if you want some insight into this question.
None whatsoever. Thick as two planks. Not a thought in our heads.