Roseanne Barr and a plethora of others

[Cacotopia]

Is what happens when you are allowed to get too old. Maybe she's a racist, maybe she just got too old and her ideas from her time are no longer acceptable. Or Duck dynasty dude, or the owner of the Clippers, or any too old people. You ever talk to your grandma or pa and suddenly think oh snap let's go back to talking about baking cookies or some benign topic. Because you are seeing what "normal" was for them. My grandfather would drop the N bomb every now and again. Which was a wtf moment for me, but now I realize, that was normal in his youth. That appalling language was in your everyday lexicon 65-80 years ago.

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think that Roseanne is anywhere near being senile. We may have merely seen how she is far more self centered than previously thought.

 

[Cacotopia]

I'm 34, and I'm gonna be part of the most foul mouthed old generation ever. growing up through the PC pussification of language and youth, where you can't play dodgeball because it's "exclusionary," and now the cookie monster eats vegetables?!? back when you lost, you actually lost, and didn't get a medal for being the "last winner." Then when the real world comes and drops that dump truck of reality on your head you weren't as overwhelmed

Now I am technically a "millennial" which sucks to me to be part of what I would consider the tea cup generation.

 

[Cacotopia]

I don't think that Roseanne is anywhere near being senile. We may have merely seen how she is far more self centered than previously thought.

I didn't say she was senile, she is OLD old people have unpopular opinions because how they think is "unacceptable" today.

 

[Cacotopia]

she was born two years before desegregation started and 12 years old when it ended, grew up in Ohio, what you think the racial climate was like up there in the 60's and 70's I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just sayin'....dude. What did you think they thought? probably would be uber racist today malarkey.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Is what happens when you are allowed to get too old. Maybe she's a racist, maybe she just got too old and her ideas from her time are no longer acceptable. Or Duck dynasty dude, or the owner of the Clippers, or any too old people. You ever talk to your grandma or pa and suddenly think oh snap let's go back to talking about baking cookies or some benign topic. Because you are seeing what "normal" was for them. My grandfather would drop the N bomb every now and again. Which was a wtf moment for me, but now I realize, that was normal in his youth. That appalling language was in your everyday lexicon 65-80 years ago.

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

I'm 72. That racism was once 'normal' makes it no less racist and no less despicable.

 

[Father Heathen]

Age doesn't prevent people from learning and understanding things, but stubborn denial and willful ignorance does. It's a problem even among the young.

 

[Cacotopia]

I don't think she is racist, cause she has been in this pot of hot water before.

She is a jew and posed as Hitler baking cookies....she addressed this moment in her standard no F's given attitude in the Green Room with Paul Provenza.

 

[Cacotopia]

they take a tweet and then judge someone's whole life on a single moment, it's a huge pile of bull. American society as a whole doesn't believe in rehabilitation on any level whatsoever, you say X and it's gonna haunt you forever.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

they take a tweet and then judge someone's whole life on a single moment, it's a huge pile of bull. American society as a whole doesn't believe in rehabilitation on any level whatsoever, you say X and it's gonna haunt you forever.

Sometimes this is true. She has form, though. I dont see it as single moment. I also think entertainment is a business. If ABC think she'll damage their brand, advertising revenue or whatever else, then they'll make a call. This could be due to poor ratings, but it can also be due to other factors.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I'm 34, and I'm gonna be part of the most foul mouthed old generation ever. growing up through the PC pussification of language and youth, where you can't play dodgeball because it's "exclusionary," and now the cookie monster eats vegetables?!? back when you lost, you actually lost, and didn't get a medal for being the "last winner." Then when the real world comes and drops that dump truck of reality on your head you weren't as overwhelmed

Now I am technically a "millennial" which sucks to me to be part of what I would consider the tea cup generation.

Meh...not all young uns fit the stereotypes. Nor do all older folks.
Best we judge people as they come.

@Jayhawker Soule is a grumpy old poster who appears to have retained his curiosity, his eagerness to learn, and his ability for brevity. Pretty sure he doesn't want you making excuses for other seniors who decided to stop learning 30 years ago. It just denigrates those who've stayed relevant.

 

[Estro Felino]

they take a tweet and then judge someone's whole life on a single moment, it's a huge pile of bull. American society as a whole doesn't believe in rehabilitation on any level whatsoever, you say X and it's gonna haunt you forever.

American society was founded upon slavery and slave trade, so today Americans have a profound guilt complex, that makes them overreact when someone wants to make a very witty joke

Europeans are laughing out loud because of this weird case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

they take a tweet and then judge someone's whole life on a single moment, it's a huge pile of bull. American society as a whole doesn't believe in rehabilitation on any level whatsoever, you say X and it's gonna haunt you forever.

People are also judged on how they handle their screw ups. Instead of profusely apologizing she has been making excuses. It is hard to take an apology seriously when one does that.

 

[SomeRandom]

Is what happens when you are allowed to get too old. Maybe she's a racist, maybe she just got too old and her ideas from her time are no longer acceptable. Or Duck dynasty dude, or the owner of the Clippers, or any too old people. You ever talk to your grandma or pa and suddenly think oh snap let's go back to talking about baking cookies or some benign topic. Because you are seeing what "normal" was for them. My grandfather would drop the N bomb every now and again. Which was a wtf moment for me, but now I realize, that was normal in his youth. That appalling language was in your everyday lexicon 65-80 years ago.

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

It's one thing to flippantly use the N word if one is from an older generation. It's quite another thing to knowingly use a derogatory joke about another based solely on their race. Even grandparents nowadays know better.
My father was born in 1928 and all my life I grew up around a much more "antiquated" sense of humour, Political Correctness was never really a thing in my house. But he never once gave off the impression of being a sexist or a racist, a tad on the homophobic side at times though. Neither did his drinking buddies, who were much younger to be fair.
One can only use the "older generation" excuse for so long, though. Especially a person who is under constant scrutiny by the media. Don't celebs have PR people anyway?

 

[Sunstone]

Just how normal was racism? That was not merely a function of time but of place.

I grew up in a small town that over 100 Black families had moved to earlier in the century in order to escape the KKK's presence during the 1920s in a much larger nearby city. The KKK was never active in my town, nor in our county.

Over 40 or 50 years later, in the 1960s, I can recall my boy scout troop being led in a discussion by our scout master of why racism was wrong. He wasn't some forward thinking liberal. He was a banker and a Republican.

I -- but not every kid in town -- was personally taught as a child that Blacks and Whites were born equal, to treat Blacks with the same basic respect as I would treat anyone, and to never do such things as use racial slurs.

And all that in a tiny little rural Midwestern town. Don't get me wrong. Racism was still a problem there. It just wasn't as much of a problem as it was some places.

The "older generation" excuse don't cut mustard.

 

[Father Heathen]

American society was founded upon slavery and slave trade, so today Americans have a profound guilt complex, that makes them overreact when someone wants to make a very witty joke

So society's attitude toward racism is actually an overreaction and people only think it's bad due to a guilt complex and not because it's actually a heinous injustice. But where was the "very witty joke"?

Europeans are laughing out loud because of this weird case.

I doubt it, because Europe is actually significantly more stringent than the U.S. when it comes to racism and "hate speech". If Europeans are laughing about anything, it's the fact that people like Roseanne and Trump actually managed to have such a strong following.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

they take a tweet and then judge someone's whole life on a single moment, it's a huge pile of bull. American society as a whole doesn't believe in rehabilitation on any level whatsoever, you say X and it's gonna haunt you forever.

It's the price you pay for utilizing social media as a ostensibly public figure. Fact is, if you don't want to have things you say haunt you for life or significantly affect your work life and public image, perhaps you should think carefully before comparing a black person to an ape and sharing that opinion with millions of people on social media.

Age isn't a defense for stupidity.

 

[Jumi]

I'm 34, and I'm gonna be part of the most foul mouthed old generation ever. growing up through the PC pussification of language and youth, where you can't play dodgeball because it's "exclusionary," and now the cookie monster eats vegetables?!? back when you lost, you actually lost, and didn't get a medal for being the "last winner." Then when the real world comes and drops that dump truck of reality on your head you weren't as overwhelmed

Your generation group foul-mouthed? Not really...

 

[Jumi]

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

It's harder for people that are older to change rigid views, but it's not a good excuse. Even older people learn.

 

[Jumi]

I doubt it, because Europe is actually significantly more stringent than the U.S. when it comes to racism and "hate speech". If Europeans are laughing about anything, it's the fact that people like Roseanne and Trump actually managed to have such a strong following.

You have to remember though that Europe is nowhere near monolithic. Each country and even part of a country has their own offensive things that are deemed normal.