Roseanne Barr and a plethora of others

[Estro Felino]

So if someone called your mother a worthless whore who should've had the good sense to jump in front of a train while she was pregnant with you, you would have enough self-confidence to not be offended?

As for Oprah's tweet I posted I do know she wanted to make a joke...
Her joke was not intended to demean people...and I would never take it personally, and I still love her

 

[sealchan]

Is what happens when you are allowed to get too old. Maybe she's a racist, maybe she just got too old and her ideas from her time are no longer acceptable. Or Duck dynasty dude, or the owner of the Clippers, or any too old people. You ever talk to your grandma or pa and suddenly think oh snap let's go back to talking about baking cookies or some benign topic. Because you are seeing what "normal" was for them. My grandfather would drop the N bomb every now and again. Which was a wtf moment for me, but now I realize, that was normal in his youth. That appalling language was in your everyday lexicon 65-80 years ago.

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

I've had my own personal experience of implicitly racist language from the older generation which caught me off guard...

I think that the pace of change is great these days and we the younger are pulling hard against the older generations who maybe cant keep up.

Maybe the pace of change is even unprecedented.

 

[Cassandra]

Yeah, come on black people, you need to laugh when you're being demeaned, degraded, and dehumanized.

You think you are doing black people a favor by stressing they are demeaned, degraded, and dehumanized, in stead of saying someone made a bad joke and then apologized? Actually I hope they can laugh about it.

"N*gger" is derived from the word "negro", which is spanish for black, so no need to be offended anyone. Never mind the actual intention of the utterance.

Again, this is the evil you project on all white people that use that word. It is nonsense, past generation simply used words that described people. My uncle used to be lovingly nicknamed "the N*gger" because he had a dark complexion, hair and eyes, and he was immensely popular. In the old days it was normal to use descriptive words, and it did not have the negative meaning that is so automatically attached to it today. Now all of this is falsely used as proof of broad race discrimination in the past.

So what do these claims actually achieve. Do they create harmony? No they create hate. People feel offended for being hated and others feel offended for being called haters. For me it is clear that people are being very actively played against each other with these constant accusations.

You take the role of moralist, "holier than thou", the protector of all suppressed, but in reality you are only playing groups against each other by convincing them they are hated. This idea hurts them much more than some lose remark. By giving as much attention as possible it becomes huge in the minds of people.

I have worked with people from all races and I can vow that they are all racist, but the most racist remarks are made from people from cultures of mixed blood. For in stance in Brazil they have a very mixed population, mixing was actually promoted. In no country there is more skin discrimination than in Brazil. Brazilians distinguish 14 different named skin tones to distinguish each other. And the whiter the better. The awareness is much bigger.

The real problem of our societies is not that we distinguish between people but that we do not want to recognize their differences. This is typical for a slave society. All slaves are stripped of their common identity and traits and become just "slaves". You work harder and produce more for the slave master, you get higher reward. That is the only criteria. Everyone is put in a treadmill. That some individuals and some groups lag behind, that is their bad luck. No discrimination! Slave masters only have one set of rules and norms for all slaves. That is why differences between peoples and cultures are denied. We stopped being social societies that is the real problem and you can not fix that with cheap morals and putting the blame on others.

 

[sealchan]

It's the price you pay for utilizing social media as a ostensibly public figure. Fact is, if you don't want to have things you say haunt you for life or significantly affect your work life and public image, perhaps you should think carefully before comparing a black person to an ape and sharing that opinion with millions of people on social media.

Age isn't a defense for stupidity.

Yeah, I think as a culture social media is something of a great equalizer...when someone says something and it appears on your phone, it really hits hard like you said it yourself. The removal of remoteness in mass communications is causing some severe cases of regret on the part of all too human public figures.

 

[Cassandra]

As for Oprah's tweet I posted I do know she wanted to make a joke...
Her joke was not intended to demean people...and I would never take it personally, and I still love her

You needed to say that, because you were in danger of being accused of racism.
Joking about a black person and a woman at the same time, is not done my friend.
This is the tail of a long history of racism and unconscious hate against women.
I think you owe a nation-wide apology. ;-)

 

[metis]

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to address the age here.

She suffers from bipolar disorder, as does my son, so her behavior is not that foreign to me.

 

[Revoltingest]

I suspect the network cancelled the show for other reasons.
So what if she makes the occasional racist remark.
She apologized (albeit with the lamest of excuses).
That would be enuf to assuage those severely offended.
But did it really stand to rake in as much money as
people say? They wouldn't give up such a gravy train.
I'll bet the show was on the skids, & they cut their losses.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Europeans are laughing out loud because of this weird case.

Tell a Holocaust joke in Germany and see how that turns out for you.

 

[Cacotopia]

Offending people isn't a crime. What kind of society would it be where hurting someone's feelings is illegal.

It's a bad joke, move on people. jibbers crabst.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

One thing I've learned in observance of all this is, it appears to me as a person of color, and as one who has to deal with stigma, it seems in the United States when whites do things there are always "maybes" for them, but with us (people of color) it is just our nature.

When a white kid shoots us a school maybe its mental distress or mental issues. When an Arab kid brings a clock to school he is definitely a terrorist and conspiracy theorist think the kid was trying to make a bomb. When a white guy in Vegas kills 59 people, post mortum is brain was examined to see if he had any mental issues, When Tamir Rice was killed, he shouldn't have a rifle out.

When explaining crime in the inner city some whites always say "they should take responsibility." The irony is taking responsibility belongs to certain people apparently. When white people commit crimes there are ten thousand excuses for them but when people of color do it, its our nature and/or our religion.

We need to stoop making excuses and call it for what it is. There are old people with mental disorders that still act like they have some damn sense.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Offending people isn't a crime. What kind of society would it be where hurting someone's feelings is illegal.

It's a bad joke, move on people. jibbers crabst.

It's not illegal but offending people can get you killed or fired.

 

[Cacotopia]

I'm white living in a foreign nation where we are seen as walking ATM machines where cops like to shake us down for no reason, or because I'm white I'm made of money and people want to price gouge the hell out of me from a meal at the food market where it should cost 2$ but they try to charge 20 to buying a piece of furniture or a car, or land or whatever because you are light skinned they want to price hike 600%+, it's in the fabric of their society, if you are not of the people you are fair game to get screwed over as often as possible.

Depends on where you are in the world, I can't openly say I am an atheist where I am either, as repercussions may involve me getting killed or having my house burned to the ground.

 

[Cacotopia]

I think the repercussions of offense are too high. Or that they don't understand the concept of freedom of speech in America, go to a Trump supporter page, they have regular posts calling Obama a n*gger and hoping someone lynches him, sets him on fire, or puts a bullet through his head or equates him to an ape, there are no repercussions for those people. But when a famous or semi famous person says it, damn, look at how society reacts. Bunch of hypocrites out there.

 

[Father Heathen]

You think you are doing black people a favor by stressing they are demeaned, degraded, and dehumanized, in stead of saying someone made a bad joke and then apologized? Actually I hope they can laugh about it.

Again, this is the evil you project on all white people that use that word. It is nonsense, past generation simply used words that described people. My uncle used to be lovingly nicknamed "the N*gger" because he had a dark complexion, hair and eyes, and he was immensely popular. In the old days it was normal to use descriptive words, and it did not have the negative meaning that is so automatically attached to it today. Now all of this is falsely used as proof of broad race discrimination in the past.

So what do these claims actually achieve. Do they create harmony? No they create hate. People feel offended for being hated and others feel offended for being called haters. For me it is clear that people are being very actively played against each other with these constant accusations.

You take the role of moralist, "holier than thou", the protector of all suppressed, but in reality you are only playing groups against each other by convincing them they are hated. This idea hurts them much more than some lose remark. By giving as much attention as possible it becomes huge in the minds of people.

I have worked with people from all races and I can vow that they are all racist, but the most racist remarks are made from people from cultures of mixed blood. For in stance in Brazil they have a very mixed population, mixing was actually promoted. In no country there is more skin discrimination than in Brazil. Brazilians distinguish 14 different named skin tones to distinguish each other. And the whiter the better. The awareness is much bigger.

The real problem of our societies is not that we distinguish between people but that we do not want to recognize their differences. This is typical for a slave society. All slaves are stripped of their common identity and traits and become just "slaves". You work harder and produce more for the slave master, you get higher reward. That is the only criteria. Everyone is put in a treadmill. That some individuals and some groups lag behind, that is their bad luck. No discrimination! Slave masters only have one set of rules and norms for all slaves. That is why differences between peoples and cultures are denied. We stopped being social societies that is the real problem and you can not fix that with cheap morals and putting the blame on others.

Don't try to shoehorn me into some silly narrative. Those who are the target of racism don't need me to tell them how to feel about it. If anything you're the one doing so by attempting to downplay or dismiss how it impacts them. Clearly they're capable of speaking for themselves. They've walked in shoes that we haven't, and maybe we should be empathetic and trust the perspective of those who have first hand experience.

 

[Father Heathen]

Offending people isn't a crime. What kind of society would it be where hurting someone's feelings is illegal.

It's a bad joke, move on people. jibbers crabst.

Of course it's not a crime. She wasn't arrested, was she? It's also not a crime for businesses to distance themselves from toxic fools who could damage their brand and revenue.

 

[Cassandra]

Don't try to shoehorn me into some silly narrative. Those who are the target of racism don't need me to tell them how to feel about it. If anything you're the one doing so by attempting to downplay or dismiss how it impacts them. Clearly they're capable of speaking for themselves. They've walked in shoes that we haven't, and maybe we should be empathetic and trust the perspective of those who have first hand experience.

Scientific studies show that racism and discrimination are at an all time low, but race fanatics keep blowing them way out of proportion. That is actually very damaging for interracial relations. When you create such high awareness people start to judge everything along those lines, and thus they suffer much more. Roseanne is bombarded into a racist and the news is spread all over the country and that actually makes people feel bad. No one likes to feel hated.

In my county they call moralizing left-wing people: "the left church". and that is exactly what they are. They are moralists who have created their own dogma's and use them to condemn people.

It is a lot of bull. I worked with people of all cultures and races and they all have their biases, and likes and dislikes of other people and have words to express that. Black people have their own demeaning words for white people. for instance I heard a lot "Makamba Makeesi" which means cheese head. The explained it to me, but they do not use that for all the whites, just the ones they do not like. That is perfectly human thing to do. And if Roseanne uses similar words for a black woman she does not like, that is the same. That is human, not evil.

But then come our left-wing pastors and tell the flock that this person is evil. That she did the unthinkable and broke one of the holy laws. And then she is stoned in the media. I think that is just as repressive as what religious fundamentalists are doing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Scientific studies show that racism and discrimination are at an all time low,

Citation needed.

but people race fanatics keep blowing them way out of proportion. That is actually very damaging for interracial relations. When you create such high awareness people start to judge everything along those lines, and thus they suffer much more. Rose Anne is bombarded into a racist and the news is spread all over the country and that actually makes people feel bad. No want like to be hated.

In my county they call left wing people: "the left church". and that is exactly what they are. They are moralists who have created their own dogma's and use them to condemn people.

So raising awareness that racism still exists and is a problem divides people and causes more problems, so when a woman makes a racially-charged, disparaging comment about a person we should just let it slide. But disparaging all people of a particular political leniency and making ridiculously sweeping generalizations about them is a-okay and doesn't cause any division or problems whatsoever.

Your hypocrisy is showing.

It is a lot of bull. I worked with people of all cultures and races and they all have their biases, and likes and dislikes of other people and have words to express that. Black people have their own demeaning words for white people. for instance I heard a lot "Makamba Makeesi" which means cheese head. The explained it to me, but they do not use that for all the whites, just the ones they do not like. That is perfectly human thing to do. And if Rose Anne uses similar words for a black woman she does not like, that is the same. That is human, not evil.

So you think it's perfectly acceptable to make racially derisive comments about people? Are you pro-racism?

But then come our left-wing pastors and tell the flock that this person is evil. That she did the unthinkable and broke one of the holy laws. And then she is stoned in the media. I think that is just as repressive as what religious fundamentalists are doing.

Then you're wrong and clearly not looking at this issue reasonably.

 

[Father Heathen]

Scientific studies show that racism and discrimination are at an all time low, but race fanatics keep blowing them way out of proportion. That is actually very damaging for interracial relations. When you create such high awareness people start to judge everything along those lines, and thus they suffer much more. Roseanne is bombarded into a racist and the news is spread all over the country and that actually makes people feel bad. No one likes to feel hated.

In my county they call moralizing left-wing people: "the left church". and that is exactly what they are. They are moralists who have created their own dogma's and use them to condemn people.

It is a lot of bull. I worked with people of all cultures and races and they all have their biases, and likes and dislikes of other people and have words to express that. Black people have their own demeaning words for white people. for instance I heard a lot "Makamba Makeesi" which means cheese head. The explained it to me, but they do not use that for all the whites, just the ones they do not like. That is perfectly human thing to do. And if Roseanne uses similar words for a black woman she does not like, that is the same. That is human, not evil.

But then come our left-wing pastors and tell the flock that this person is evil. That she did the unthinkable and broke one of the holy laws. And then she is stoned in the media. I think that is just as repressive as what religious fundamentalists are doing.

Wow, that's a whole lot of words to say so very little.
Again you try to shoehorn me into some nonsensical narrative. I hardly fit your silly leftist 'sjw' stereotype. And as @ImmortalFlame pointed out, you're a hypocrite by making such ridiculous generalizations.
So if someone makes a blatantly racist statement, actually it's those who call them out on it that do the "damage" to those targeted by it? Wow... And again, they can speak for themselves. In fact they would probably consider your insinuation that they need you or me to tell them how to feel about it to be rather insulting.

 

[metis]

Scientific studies show that racism and discrimination are at an all time low, but race fanatics keep blowing them way out of proportion.

According to the FBI, hate crimes went up 20% last year, so it's this more recent trend that of great concern.

And if Roseanne uses similar words for a black woman she does not like, that is the same. That is human, not evil.

So, if I referred to your mother as being an "ape", which was not actually said as a joke by Roseanne btw, that's OK with you? She's had a history of doing such things.

However, where I will cut her some slack is that she does suffer from bipolar disorder, as does my son, so such outbursts are not unusual with those who have this.

 

[Augustus]

We used to have those in Finland too, I think they were named in the 19th century somewhere in central Europe and copied to other countries. Their names here were just quietly changed to Brunberg's kisses some years back when that word came to be seen as offensive, starting from the 90s.

In Holland you can get a moorkop (Moor's head) which is a big round chocolate covered profiterole type thing.