Roseanne Barr and a plethora of others

[Cassandra]

According to the FBI, hate crimes went up 20% last year, so it's this more recent trend that of great concern.

But it is blacks that are the attackers in 85% of interracial crimes and not only against whites. Similar statistics are found in the UK. Blacks more often have a problem with aggression. It should be a subject of scientific study so we can find good solutions.

I do not believe that these constant accusations of racism and discrimination are adding to a climate that creates less hate. I think it more like adding more heat to an overheated situation. It is not part of the solution but part of the problem. It is a contributing factor. Also purposely creating a false picture of the overall situation does not help in solving it. It is not only the right that stir up hate, it is done by people on both sites. We are being played.

So, if I referred to your mother as being an "ape", which was not actually said as a joke by Roseanne btw, that's OK with you? She's had a history of doing such things.

Roseanne made it a career out of foul-mouthing people, and is very popular in playing such a character. Twittering, the different roles easily get blurred. The question is: Why would one want to make the worst of that, and how does that help anyone?

If you say my mother is an ape, that would not upset me, because my mother is not an ape. That does not really hit home. Making a great fuzz about blacks being called an ape carries the meta-message that for blacks this does hit home. That somehow this is a weak spot for blacks. Because the meta-message of protecting people is really telling them they are vulnerable. It only increases inferiority feelings.

However, where I will cut her some slack is that she does suffer from bipolar disorder, as does my son, so such outbursts are not unusual with those who have this.

I think we should leave to scientists to figure out where the aggression comes from and seek proper solutions. That is far better than letting ideological driven moralists from both sides play the blaming game.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

But it is blacks that are the attackers in 85% of interracial crimes and not only against whites. Similar statistics are found in the UK. Blacks more often have a problem with aggression. I should be a subject of scientific study so we can find good solutions.

You have citations for these claims, of course? Also, NB @metis did specifically say "hate crimes" not "interracial crime".

 

[Cassandra]

You have citations for these claims, of course?

Why? I have never seen anyone change their mind by that. But okay:
USA: https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
UK: Race and crime in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

Also, NB @metis did specifically say "hate crimes" not "interracial crime".

Sure, because when you are molested by a person, it makes such a big difference that he does not hate your kind but does it with total indifference?

Aggression create fear -> Fear creates hate -> hate creates aggression

 

[metis]

But it is blacks that are the attackers in 85% of interracial crimes and not only against whites.

As someone mentioned, I was referring to "hate crimes", and these were mostly done by whites against minorities.

I do not believe that these constant accusations of racism and discrimination are adding to a climate that creates less hate. I think it more like adding more heat to an overheated situation.

But if the charges are appropriate, why would hiding them supposedly be better?

Roseanne made it a career out of foul-mouthing people, and is very popular in playing such a character.

So, just because she's a comedian that somehow justifies this? Personally, I strongly dislike malicious "comedy" that has the effect of hurting people, regardless of their ideology. Therefore I can dislike some of what Roseanne has said as much as I dislike some of which Bill Maher has said.

If you say my mother is an ape, that would not upset me, because my mother is not an ape.

So, nasty words meant to demean others doesn't bother you? Does me.

That is far better than letting ideological driven moralists from both sides play the blaming game.

Like so many other things in life, it's generally best to avoid the extremes.

BTW, with your post above, aren't you being an "ideologically driven moralist"?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Why? I have never seen anyone change their mind by that. But okay:
USA: https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
UK: Race and crime in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia


Sure, because when you are molested by a person, it makes such a big difference that he does not hate your kind but does it with total indifference?

Aggression create fear -> Fear creates hate -> hate creates aggression

Goal post shift noted.

 

[Cassandra]

As someone mentioned, I was referring to "hate crimes", and these were mostly done by whites against minorities.

One of them black gangs enters your house, shoots you in the stomach, rapes your wife, and kills your black neighbor boy who happens to be on a visit with total indifference. And Metis thinks: Thank God, it is not a hate crime.

I do not agree with this line of thinking. If somebody molests you because he hates your group, he still regards you as a human being. His whole emotion and anger towards you testifies to that. Because we do not feel that kind of anger against other beings. But when a criminal molests you with total indifference he no longer recognizes you as a human being, not even animal, just a thing. Victims are much more traumatized by the latter. There is nothing worse than being a thing to other humans.

I think what moralists are mostly doing is giving criminals an easy excuse for their crimes. Moralists actually contribute to the violence. One can sense there is hate behind that. This hate is apparent from the eager with which everything is related to the Nazis. There is an old saying: People that are out for revenge, keep their wounds green. They will never let those wounds heal, will they?

No, I see no love in people crying discrimination and racism all the time. Nor does it anything positive for black people to constantly reinforce the idea that they are hated. It actually is very harmful for their mental well-being

To call people who are not racists racist does nothing good either but makes them angry to a point that they may even start to hate. Because if you are already condemned for a crime what stops you from taking revenge by showing them right?

You call not emphasizing the racial aspect hiding. That is nonsense. Roseanne stepped over the line, insulted a person, but it is moralists who insist on calling it a hate crime. Because otherwise Roseanne would not have been fired over this. Because foul-mouthing is something of a specialty of her that is appreciated by her fans. But as she happens to voice Trump support, the left wants her down, and what better way than to use the charge of racism that is so effectively used to brand people negatively. And as she used to have a different allegiance she probably is also seen as a traitor and this is revenge.

I think it is no better than what TeaParty people are doing. Together moralists are creating division by offending and attacking as much people from both sides as they can. That seems to be the plan. Interesting is that when one enters the discussion and as an independent and criticizes the behavior, parties immediately put you in the other camp and start crying crocodile tears and accusations and attacks soon follow. The do not mind that drives you in the other camp. There is no interest at all to bring people together, only to create deep mutual hatred. I have no confidence in the sincerity of these moralists though no doubt there are lots of brainwashed people engaging in this as well.

We can see how effective this has been done.

 

[metis]

One of them black gangs enters your house, shoots you in the stomach, rapes your wife, and kills your black neighbor boy who happens to be on a visit with total indifference. And Metis thinks: Thank God, it is not a hate crime.

All you did was to bring something into the discussion of what I said that had nothing to do with what I said. Now, with the above, all you are doing is using over-the-top hyperbole by continuing on with your disingenuous rant over what was not being discussed. What are you going to bring into this next, the price of tea in China?

I think what moralists are mostly doing is giving criminals an easy excuse for their crimes.

Complete nonsense, so why are you being so utterly dishonest about this? Do you think any of us like crime, regardless of who commits it? Why are you making this up? Where's the honesty on this?

No, I see no love in people crying discrimination and racism all the time.

Some do, no doubt, but then there are others who don't acknowledge racism and discrimination when there clearly is some.

You call not emphasizing the racial aspect hiding. That is nonsense.

When not to say something is racism when it clearly is racism is where the "nonsense" really lies. The real "nonsense" is avoiding the reality of what is.

Together moralists are creating division by offending and attacking as much people from both sides as they can.

Now you have shown just how utterly hypocritical you are being since your posts on this are far more "moralistic" than what most others are posting, and yet you are so blind you can't see what you yourself are actually doing. It's obvious that you have a political agenda that is neither based on reality nor on honesty.

The bottom line is that, even though there has been significant improvement in recent decades in this area, some prejudice and discrimination exists, and certainly no one group has a monopoly on this. I have personally encountered racism by some blacks, and that's no more justifiable that racism committed by some whites.

 

[Cassandra]

All you did was to bring something into the discussion of what I said that had nothing to do with what I said. Now, with the above, all you are doing is using over-the-top hyperbole by continuing on with your disingenuous rant over what was not being discussed. What are you going to bring into this next, the price of tea in China?

Complete nonsense, so why are you being so utterly dishonest about this? Do you think any of us like crime, regardless of who commits it? Why are you making this up? Where's the honesty on this?

Some do, no doubt, but then there are others who don't acknowledge racism and discrimination when there clearly is some.

When not to say something is racism when it clearly is racism is where the "nonsense" really lies. The real "nonsense" is avoiding the reality of what is.

Now you have shown just how utterly hypocritical you are being since your posts on this are far more "moralistic" than what most others are posting, and yet you are so blind you can't see what you yourself are actually doing. It's obvious that you have a political agenda that is neither based on reality nor on honesty.

The bottom line is that, even though there has been significant improvement in recent decades in this area, some prejudice and discrimination exists, and certainly no one group has a monopoly on this. I have personally encountered racism by some blacks, and that's no more justifiable that racism committed by some whites.

So much hate. Makes me wonder what you have against Roseanne.
Pity you do not understand, Still others may understand what I mean.

 

[metis]

So much hate. Makes me wonder what you have against Roseanne.
Pity you do not understand, Still others may understand what I mean.

I'm a "hate the sin, not the sinner" kind of guy-- iow I don't "hate" anyone. The only thing I have against Roseanne is what she has said, and on more than one occasion, that indeed are racist statements. And it's also clear that these were not part of any comedy routine.

However, as I also mentioned in a previous post, I do cut her some slack on this since she does suffer from bipolar disorder, as does my son, and she is well known as one who sometimes says offensive things out of emotional outbursts as even her cast members and director stated.

So, now do you understand where I'm coming from and why?

 

[Cacotopia]

If you can't classify their race is it racist?