Russia....What It's Like

[viole]

It's the country that never really quite got fully off the ground.
The serfs revolted against he Czar.
But they became cogs under Stalin.
The USSR broke up, but they became subjects under Putin.
The population is dwindling due to war, disease, & emigration.

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www.the-sun.com

Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse

War in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict

www.economist.com

Russian troops 'forced to fight with shovels' due to ammo shortage

The head of the Wagner mercenary force that has led the assault renewed his criticism of Moscow’s military leaders over the weekend and warned that Russia’s positions in the area could be in jeopardy if the supply issues weren’t resolved.

www.nbcnews.com

Mobilization Can’t Save Russia’s War

Russian troops are being trained to be cannon fodder.

foreignpolicy.com

I know this will be controversial.
Some loathe Russia.
Others defend Russians as dupes.
Let the discussion commence.

Pure evil.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course, some things are intergenerational, such as religion and cultural traditions. However, I would say that traditions and beliefs that span multiple generations are different from being accustomed to a political status quo, since one would have to live under the latter in order to be accustomed to it. This is not the case with traditions and beliefs that are passed down through inculcation.

So we will agree to disagree about Russians
being accustomed to authoritarian rule.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Pure evil.

No country on Earth is "pure evil," simply because of how much diversity exists among any country's population. The Russians opposing Putin and his war certainly aren't "pure evil" either.

But if you're referring to the Russian government or to the atrocious results of the invasion as outlined in the links in the OP, then I agree.

 

[Debater Slayer]

So we will agree to disagree about Russians
being accustomed to authoritarian rule.

I'm sure most Russians living today are accustomed to it by virtue of having lived either in the USSR or Putin's Russia.

I'm just saying the new generation might yet be different and not grow accustomed to the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

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The John Wayne types prolly would'a called me a pinko commie.
To them, the term wasn't about economics....just a label for
draft dodging unpatriotic hippies.
BTW, my street cred is better than yours. I committed a
felony by fleeing my draft induction. Top that, Stevie!
Compared to me, you're a flag waving patriot.

 

[Revoltingest]

No country on Earth is "pure evil," simply because of how much diversity exists among any country's population. The Russians opposing Putin and his war certainly aren't "pure evil" either.

Nazi German qualified as "pure evil" IMO.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Perhaps you've bought Russian propaganda, eh.

Yeah, that’ll be it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm sure most Russians living today are accustomed to it by virtue of having lived either in the USSR or Putin's Russia.

I'm just saying the new generation might yet be different and not grow accustomed to the same.

We can hope that Russia emerges from a history
of serfdom, socialism, & Putinism to become
a progressive credit to humanity.
I won't hold my breath though.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nazi German qualified as "pure evil" IMO.

Nazi Germany had some people who either fled and worked against Hitler's regime or were victimized by him despite being Germans themselves. Not all of Germany supported or simply worked for Hitler.

 

[Debater Slayer]

We can hope that Russia emerges from a history
of serfdom, socialism, & Putinism to become
a progressive credit to humanity.
I won't hold my breath though.

Russia has been capitalist for longer than I have been alive, so I hope it emerges from a history of serfdom, Marxism-Leninism, Putinism, and oligarchic capitalism to become progressive.

 

[Stevicus]

The John Wayne types prolly would'a called me a pinko commie.
To them, the term wasn't about economics....just a label for
draft dodging unpatriotic hippies.
BTW, my street cred is better than yours. I committed a
felony by fleeing my draft induction. Top that, Stevie!
Compared to me, you're a flag waving patriot.

I'm slightly younger than you and was spared that, thanks to Richard Nixon.

But yes, capitalist views on economics were more moderate back then. Reagan and his ilk were the ones who turned it into something odious and malignant.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nazi Germany had some people who either fled and worked against Hitler's regime or were victimized by him despite being Germans themselves. Not all of Germany supported or simply worked for Hitler.

There are always a few good people even
in the worst **** hole countries. But we may
generalize when some factor is overwhelming.
The country under the Nazi regime was unified
enuf, & evil enuf to call it "pure evil" IMO.

As the great Buckaroo Banzai said of the Red
Lectroids...

 

[Debater Slayer]

There are always a few good people even
in the worst **** hole countries. But we may
generalize when some factor is overwhelming.
The country under the Nazi regime was unified
enuf, & evil enuf to call it "pure evil" IMO.

As the great Buckaroo Banzai said of the Red
Lectroids...

Good thing Russia isn't currently at the same level of cutlike support for its dictator as Nazi Germany was, at least. Hopefully that could end being a part of the demise of Putin's rule.

 

[Estro Felino]

We can hope that Russia emerges from a history
of serfdom, socialism, & Putinism to become
a progressive credit to humanity.
I won't hold my breath though.

I hope the opposite.
That the Russian State re-obtain the other 50% of Gazprom, so they will own 100% of Gazprom.
And nothing will be left for foreigners who would want a slice of the cake.

 

[Audie]

We can hope that Russia emerges from a history
of serfdom, socialism, & Putinism to become
a progressive credit to humanity.
I won't hold my breath though.

I think their best chance is in the complete
dissolution of their empire, and Russia returned
to its former grapefruit sized territory.

 

[Stevicus]

No country on Earth is "pure evil," simply because of how much diversity exists among any country's population. The Russians opposing Putin and his war certainly aren't "pure evil" either.

But if you're referring to the Russian government or to the atrocious results of the invasion as outlined in the links in the OP, then I agree.

I agree that no country is "evil," although one could say that ideals are evil, such as nationalism, racism, capitalism, and other predatory, social Darwinist beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

Russia has been capitalist for longer than I have been alive, so I hope it emerges from a history of serfdom, Marxism-Leninism, Putinism, and oligarchic capitalism to become progressive.

It isn't oligarchic. That's a common misconception.
Power isn't shared in the sense of an oligarchy.
(This I glean from interviews with alleged "oligarchs".
And observing how any of them who run afoul of
Putin are soon defenstrated or poisoned.)

 

[Audie]

I hope the opposite.
That the Russian State re-obtain the other 50% of Gazprom, so they will own 100% of Gazprom.
And nothing will be left for foreigners who would want a slice of the cake.

Why on earth would anyone who. Is not a communist, morally weak, or simply insane want that?
Are you well? You've been posting some
odd things lately.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why on earth would anyone who. Is not a communist, morally weak, or simply insane want that?
Are you well? You've been posting some
odd things lately.

I am very Communist, then.

 

[Stevicus]

As the great Buckaroo Banzai said of the Red
Lectroids...

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