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Russia....What It's Like

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If a person A threatens to kill another person B with a knife and the next day the person B is found dead with a stab in the back....what should I think?
That A is innocent?
It seems that you've a point to make,
but strange hypotheticals don't do it.
So that's a question I won't waste time
answering.
 

Zwing

Active Member
Well...when your own country doesn't defend you, ....I guess it's normal one finds comfort in the arms of another country.
Anybody who thinks that established governments primarily serve their citizenry is deluded. Governments, as all human bureaucratic organizations, eventually take on a life of their own, separate from “the people”, and end up serving themselves first and foremost, especially the imperatives to perpetuate and to increase power. This is Organizational Behavior 101. A given government will serve a citizen when he facilitates the fulfillment of those imperatives, and destroy a citizen when he impedes it. Snowden ran into the arms of Russia because he knew that he was about to be destroyed by his government otherwise.
 
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Zwing

Active Member
Why do so many Italians have such horrible taste and judgement?
Tsk, tsk. Unlike here in the Anglosphere, where people have it good and are deathly afraid of rocking the boat too much, the citizenries of many countries (and this is especially true of countries in the Mediterranean Basin) tend to “go to the political poles”, fostering robust communist, anarchist, and nationalist parties. This is foreign in many ways to us here in America, where a third party couldn’t get off the ground if it was placed into a trebuchet. I think that the opinions of Italians mentioned by @Estro Felino probably reflects that political milieu.
 
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Orbit

I'm a planet
You confirmed my point. All people who were eliminated by the American Deep State.
Because MLK, JFK and RFK were all eliminated by the same criminal minds.
JFK sought a dialogue with Russia.

Hunter S. Thompson eliminated himself. The "deep state" had nothing to do with it. Cancer did.
 

Zwing

Active Member
Capitalists are too stubborn and greedy, which is the core reason for most human conflict and dissension in the world today.
“With…without…and, who’ll deny that’s what the fighting’s all about?”

I remember reading that that album was released fifty years ago this year, As a matter of fact, I think I’ll listen to that one tonight.
 
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Question Everything
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I can speak for my own country and my own people.
The 50% of them adores Russia because they still dream of the USSR...
the other 50% adores Russians because they elected Putin.

:)
Really? How sad. The Italians, who taught the French how to cook, who taught the world about art, inventiveness, gave us Dante...and they adore Russia and Putin? Ignorance, stangnancy and submission?

Yes, I find that really sad.
 

Zwing

Active Member
I'm well aware the U.S. has a slimy underbelly that I wouldn't try to excuse or justify.
I find it strangely ironic that the government of our country could attack Mexico, fabricate a war with Spain, and ethnically cleanse vast swathes of land of “Native American” cultures, all in the service of its “manifest destiny”, and now, despite not having made reparation for those actions, thinks that it has moral standing to censure Russia for pursuing its own concept of manifest destiny. Just sayin’.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Anybody who thinks that established governments primarily serve their citizenry is deluded. Governments, as all human bureaucratic organizations, eventually take on a life of their own, separate from “the people”, and end up serving themselves first and foremost, especially the imperatives to perpetuate and to increase power. A given government will serve a citizen when he facilitates the fulfillment of those imperatives, and destroy a citizen when he impedes it.
This is why I prefer a more limited & democratic government.
Harder for it to oppress the masses.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
This is why I prefer a more limited & democratic government.
Harder for it to oppress the masses.
But isn't that what the framers were aiming for? That government should be limited -- and have to go back to the "masses" on a regular basis to ask for permission to carry on?

No secret here but I think that is what the Republican party is trying to weasel its way out of these past few years. Elections don't appear to suit them well.
 
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