Russia....What It's Like

[Stevicus]

How many conspiracy theories have you successfully disproven to true believers?
Was I successful dissuading you from the Military Industrial Complex Conspiracy Theory?

I wouldn't even consider that to be a conspiracy theory. It's simply a term to describe the processes and relationships which exist between government and the various private-sector contractors they might purchase goods and services from. It doesn't automatically imply or claim anything outright illegal, although it doesn't dismiss the possibility either.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn't even consider that to be a conspiracy theory. It's simply a term to describe the processes and relationships which exist between government and the various private-sector contractors they might purchase goods and services from. It doesn't automatically imply or claim anything outright illegal, although it doesn't dismiss the possibility either.

That illustrates how conspiracy theory believers
don't even recognize it for what it is. To you
them, it's just true...even if re-phrased to change
the meaning to something benign.

 

[Stevicus]

That illustrates how conspiracy theory believers
don't even recognize it for what it is. To you
them, it's just true...even if re-phrased to change
the meaning to something benign.

It sounds like you have some rather fervent and unshaking beliefs about conspiracy theorists yourself. You seem to want to desperately believe that conspiracy theorists are certifiable whackos, that you can't even entertain even reasonable and plausible interpretations.

 

[Revoltingest]

It sounds like you have some rather fervent and unshaking beliefs about conspiracy theorists yourself.

That's a poor feigned counter to my criticism
of belief in things non-disprovable, & offering
theories inferior to more pedestrian explanations
that eschew the murky boogeyman.

 

[Stevicus]

That's a poor feigned counter to my criticism
of belief in things non-disprovable, & offering
theories inferior to more pedestrian explanations
that eschew the murky boogeyman.

Your opinion is noted. And I already demonstrated that they are disprovable, and as you offered no counter-argument, I guess we can dispense that piece of misinformation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your opinion is noted. And I already demonstrated that they are disprovable, and as you offered no counter-argument, I guess we can dispense that piece of misinformation.

You claim disprovability, but offer nothing.

 

[Stevicus]

You claim disprovability, but offer nothing.

Yes I did. I said exactly how it can be disproved. It's not my fault the government stonewalls and refuses to produce evidence to prove its own claims. You're ready to accept the government's word without evidence, while chiding those who are skeptical about accepting claims without evidence.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes I did. I said exactly how it can be disproved.

In ways that didn't...couldn't happen.
You're just speculating, & not considering
how the mind of the conspiracy theorist
works. Let me know when you cure someone
of belief that George Soros is behind the
war in Ukraine, eh.

 

[Stevicus]

In ways that didn't...couldn't happen.
You're just speculating, & not considering
how the mind of the conspiracy theorist
works. Let me know when you cure someone
of belief that George Soros is behind the
war in Ukraine, eh.

The mind of a conspiracy theorist is no different than any other human mind. The only real difference is in whom they trust.

 

[PureX]

Americans and Russians won WW2...but then something inexplainable and strange happened: instead of being more united than ever...they split up.
Why.

The atom bomb.

 

[Estro Felino]

The atom bomb.

I don't get it.

 

[PureX]

I don't get it.

It indicated a huge imbalance of power between the US and Russia. Something Stalin could not abide.

 

[Estro Felino]

It indicated a huge imbalance of power between the US and Russia. Something Stalin could not abide.

I thought that the reason was that the Americans were terrified by that Socialist ideas that could threaten the Capitalistic interests of the big banking elites.

 

[PureX]

I thought that the reason was that the Americans were terrified by that Socialist ideas that could threaten the Capitalistic interests of the big banking elites.

Americans weren't terrified by it, but the capitalists and their cronies in politics saw it as a good excuse to drum up blind allegiance to their cause, certainly. As they still do ... on both sides.

 

[Stevicus]

I thought that the reason was that the Americans were terrified by that Socialist ideas that could threaten the Capitalistic interests of the big banking elites.

I think they were on a superficial level, as manifested in McCarthyism, as a quasi-religious exercise to rout out heresy and persecute anyone deemed ideologically impure. But the reality was that the economic status of the US, along with our high standard of living, reduced the possibility of socialism gaining any kind of ideological traction in America.

The US and the big banking elites were actually pretty safe, so one might well wonder why there were so many Americans living under the atmosphere of fear and paranoia that the Red Scaremongers brought about.

What's interesting is that, looking at it purely from a capitalistic, business-oriented viewpoint, the US government's Cold War worries about weak, impoverished, destitute nations falling under communist rule make it appear that the capitalists of the world were doing the geopolitical equivalent of grubbing for spare change under the couch cushions.

 

[Revoltingest]

The mind of a conspiracy theorist is no different than any other human mind.

Oh, wrongo pongo!
I've noticed that people who embrace a wild conspiracy theory
don't limit it to just one. They collect others, eg, faked Moon
landings, the deep state, the MIC, Big Oil vs free energy.
Some minds leap to faith, & recognize only comporting evidence.
Others are skeptical, & can change their mind based upon new
evidence & understandings. These are fundamentally different
ways of thinking, & are deeply rooted in the individual.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, wrongo pongo!
I've noticed that people who embrace a wild conspiracy theory
don't limit it to just one. They collect others, eg, faked Moon
landings, the deep state, the MIC, Big Oil vs free energy.
Some minds leap to faith, & recognize only comporting evidence.
Others are skeptical, & can change their mind based upon new
evidence & understandings. These are fundamentally different
ways of thinking, & are deeply rooted in the individual.

With all due respect, you have never answered this question of mine:
"if someone sets up a conspiracy, by plotting against the American people, isn't it normal that the first thing they will do is try to silence whoever has suspicions, by dissing them and calling them visionaries, conspiracy theorists etc...etc..."?
Because it's what any criminal would do. Try to divert the attention from them or from a specific topic. Sidetrack the investigation.
This is the basis of criminology. The ABC.

I hope you will answer it someday

 

[Revoltingest]

With all due respect, you have never answered this question of mine:

Some of you questions appear to be either....
rhetorical, inscrutable, irrelevant.
So I address only the ones that are relevant.
And sometimes, I don't see a question...either
due lack of alelrt, or it's lost in the volume.

"if someone sets up a conspiracy, by plotting against the American people, isn't it normal that the first thing they do is to try to silence whoever has suspicions, by dissing them and calling them visionaries, conspiracy theorists etc...etc..."?

I hope you will answer it someday

That's a question I don't remember ever being asked.
And it's unclear.
Are "they" & "them" each the conspirators, the Ameristanians, or others?

 

[Estro Felino]

Some of you questions appear to be either....
rhetorical, inscrutable, irrelevant.
So I address only the ones that are relevant.
And sometimes, I don't see a question...either
due lack of alelrt, or it's lost in the volume.

That's a question I don't remember ever being asked.
And it's unclear.
Are "they" & "them" each the conspirators, the Ameristanians, or others?

Ok, I will rephrase.
if some shady politician A sets up a conspiracy, by plotting against the American people, isn't it obvious and absolutely normal that the first thing that A will do is try to gaslight whoever has suspicions, by dissing them and calling them visionaries, conspiracy theorists etc...etc..."?

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, I will rephrase.
if some shady politician A sets up a conspiracy, by plotting against the American people, isn't it obvious and absolutely normal that the first thing that A will do is try to gaslight whoever has suspicions, by dissing them and calling them visionaries, conspiracy theorists etc...etc..."?

That is not obvious to me.
I'd expect that conspirators who actually exist would
want their conspiracy kept secret. If accused of it,
I'd expect silence or denials.