Russia....What It's Like

[nPeace]

It's the country that never really quite got fully off the ground.
The serfs revolted against he Czar.
But they became cogs under Stalin.
The USSR broke up, but they became subjects under Putin.
The population is dwindling due to war, disease, & emigration.

Putin's child snatchers turning kidnapped Ukraine kids into 'Russian zombies'

KIDNAPPED Ukrainian kids are being sent to sinister “re-education camps” by Putin’s evil child snatchers in a bid to turn them into “Russian zombies”, according to a r…

www.the-sun.com

Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse

War in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict

www.economist.com

Russian troops 'forced to fight with shovels' due to ammo shortage

The head of the Wagner mercenary force that has led the assault renewed his criticism of Moscow’s military leaders over the weekend and warned that Russia’s positions in the area could be in jeopardy if the supply issues weren’t resolved.

www.nbcnews.com

Mobilization Can’t Save Russia’s War

Russian troops are being trained to be cannon fodder.

foreignpolicy.com

I know this will be controversial.
Some loathe Russia.
Others defend Russians as dupes.
Let the discussion commence.

Almost... Well, definitely seems like the Devil has a throne there with one of his top followings seated on it.
I know most don't believe in invisible life forms of superior abilities, but...
All of a sudden men started falling down stairs.

 

[Revoltingest]

Almost... Well, definitely seems like the Devil has a throne there with one of his top followings seated on it.
I know most don't believe in invisible life forms of superior abilities, but...
All of a sudden men started falling down stairs.

And out windows.
Russian men must be very clumsy.

 

[Stonetree]

But seeing the horrendous neo-liberistic drift in the US, don't you think we Europeans have much more in common with socialist Russia, than with the US?

Sure, you Italians are real dancing Cossacks...

 

[The Hammer]

What makes conspiracy theories false? Nothing does.

A conspiracy theory is proven false by not having supported and verifiable evidence.

 

[Revoltingest]

A conspiracy theory is proven false by not having supported and verifiable evidence.

No...it's not proven false for those reasons.

 

[The Hammer]

No...it's not proven false for those reasons.

Ok

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok

Further....they typically can't be disproven.
Example.
No one can say what George Soros does out of view.
So people can believe that he's the boogeyman
behind wars, corruption, & such without ever being
proven wrong.

 

[The Hammer]

Further....they typically can't be disproven.
Example.
No one can say what George Soros does out of view.
So people can believe that he's the boogeyman
behind wars, corruption, & such without ever being
proven wrong.

Okie dokie

 

[Stevicus]

Further....they typically can't be disproven.
Example.
No one can say what George Soros does out of view.
So people can believe that he's the boogeyman
behind wars, corruption, & such without ever being
proven wrong.

Actually, they can be disproven if someone can produce exculpatory evidence. A good example of this is when Oliver Stone's JFK was released, it rekindled conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. Eventually, the public debate was such that it eventually compelled Congress to pass the JFK Act in 1992 (President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 - Wikipedia).

Evidence newly brought to light can be used to disprove certain allegations, or at the very least, compel the modification of any conspiracy theory.

Such as whenever there's a questionable police shooting of suspect, if the police or other authorities refuse to release video footage of the event, then the default assumption is that they're hiding something incriminating. A refusal to release evidence or information is generally considered suspicious, and this is how conspiracy theories generally come about.

That's why the best way to deal with conspiracy theories is for government to be totally open and transparent, but when they refuse to do so, that is prima facie evidence that the government is hiding something for some illicit reason.

The role of a responsible law-abiding citizen in this context should be to chide and castigate the government for failing to provide evidence and information to back up their official story (which can oftentimes be their versions of conspiracy theories while offering little to no evidence). Those who would attack the messenger (aka "conspiracy theorists") become suspect themselves.

The morally correct position for any honest citizen would be to suspect the government's story and demand evidence, and when such is not forthcoming to a satisfactory conclusion, to criticize them on that basis. It is immoral and intellectually dishonest to attack conspiracy theories without direct exculpatory evidence to prove them false.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, they can be disproven if someone can produce exculpatory evidence.

Oh, you naive boy....
Any evidence you might find to dis-prove a conspiracy
theory can be easily dismissed as fake news & fraud
by those keeping the conspiracy intact.
When one dwells in a world of seeing what is possible
defining reality, instead of what is likely, then it's
a Weltanschuuang that cannot be dislodged.
When anything is possible, one can believe anything.

 

[Stevicus]

Oh, you naive boy....
Any evidence you might find to dis-prove a conspiracy
theory can be easily dismissed as fake news & fraud
by those keeping the conspiracy intact.

When has that ever happened?

 

[Revoltingest]

When has that ever happened?

When hasn't it, eh.

 

[Vee]

It's the country that never really quite got fully off the ground.


I know this will be controversial.
Some loathe Russia.
Others defend Russians as dupes.
Let the discussion commence.

I was in Russia quite a long time ago, and the one thing I retained was how hard they were trying to become modern without giving up their old values and traditions.
For me it was like, "make up your mind. You can't have it both ways". I don't know if everyone over there suffers from an identity crisis, but there is certainly something around those lines going on.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was in Russia quite a long time ago, and the one thing I retained was how hard they were trying to become modern without giving up their old values and traditions.
For me it was like, "make up your mind. You can't have it both ways". I don't know if everyone over there suffers from an identity crisis, but there is certainly something around those lines going on.

Informative.
You must settle for the word, since the frubal is no more.

 

[Stevicus]

When hasn't it, eh.

When has the government opened up all of its files and evidence for full public view?

 

[Revoltingest]

When has the government opened up all of its files and evidence for full public view?

And if they ever did, the deep state would've doctored
& redacted anything they dint want us to know.
So it would be claimed by the conspiracy theorists.

 

[Stevicus]

And if they ever did, the deep state would've doctored
& redacted anything they dint want us to know.
So it would be claimed by the conspiracy theorists.

Well, we haven't gotten to the point yet. Besides, we'd have to have access to everything, the raw data, without redaction.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, we haven't gotten to the point yet. Besides, we'd have to have access to everything, the raw data, without redaction.

That's a hypothetical that would never happen.
But even if the impossible did happen, conspiracy
theorists could claim subterfuge, corruption,
redaction, & censorship anyway.
Ya canna disprove something fervently believed.

 

[Stevicus]

That's a hypothetical that would never happen.
But even if the impossible did happen, conspiracy
theorists could claim subterfuge, corruption,
redaction, & censorship anyway.
Ya canna disprove something fervently believed.

Understand that most conspiracy theories originally emanate from a positive claim made by government, but generally without sufficient evidence to prove the claim, at least not anything they're willing to present publicly. So, because of an unproven claim by government, a conspiracy theorist might question that claim and hypothesize possible reasons they might be lying or withholding the truth from the people.

The way to disprove any conspiracy theory is for government to present all relevant evidence to prove the original claim. Nothing should be considered "confidential," "classified," or "privileged information," or else it will be assumed that they're lying and/or hiding something illicit.

Of course, you're right that it's a hypothetical that would never happen, but at least it demonstrates that conspiracy theories are falsifiable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Understand that most conspiracy theories originally emanate from a positive claim made by government, but generally without sufficient evidence to prove the claim, at least not anything they're willing to present publicly. So, because of an unproven claim by government, a conspiracy theorist might question that claim and hypothesize possible reasons they might be lying or withholding the truth from the people.

The way to disprove any conspiracy theory is for government to present all relevant evidence to prove the original claim. Nothing should be considered "confidential," "classified," or "privileged information," or else it will be assumed that they're lying and/or hiding something illicit.

Of course, you're right that it's a hypothetical that would never happen, but at least it demonstrates that conspiracy theories are falsifiable.

How many conspiracy theories have you successfully disproven to true believers?
Was I successful dissuading you from the Military Industrial Complex Conspiracy Theory?