Father Heathen
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Of equal proportion in both count and severity?
That you would shrug at the rape of children tells me all I need to know.
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That you would shrug at the rape of children tells me all I need to know.
lukethethird
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Washington and nato are using Ukraine. This is not even about Ukraine. Ukraines are pawns in this, Washington's purpose in this is to weaken Russia even if it takes the lives of every last Ukrainian so don't pretend to care about Ukrainians.
Attributing conspiratorial motives that can't
be disproven is another useful tactic to make
Putin the victim, & USA the Great Satan.
It's sly...artful...to change the discussion from
Russia's deadly destructive invasion to become
about general hostility towards USA. It resonates
with like minded folk, thereby justifying invasion.
Everyone knows it in Europe.
lukethethird
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Ukrainians are the victims. For decades there has been warnings of Ukraine being the battlefield and now it has happened no thanks to Nato. This invasion was provoked, we saw it happening, at least those of us that followed the events leading up to this.
The problem is that it's Americans that cross the Atlantic 24/7.
It's not the other way around. Russians do not cross the Atlantic.
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We're all provoked at times.
It doesn't justify massive death & destruction.
You're just excusing Putin's Russia with lame
whataboutism.
It seems that you're obsessed with Putin &The problem is that it's Americans that cross the Atlantic 24/7.
It's not the other way around. Russians do not cross the Atlantic.
It's the Americans who are obsessed with Russia.
his vision of restoring a chimera of Christian
conservatism & Soviet empire building.
Blaming everyone other than Russia is the tool.
The US are supposed to be the beacon for the free world. For the West.
I want peace on Earth.
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You object to Obama's given name?The US are supposed to be the beacon for the free world. For the West.
I want peace on Earth.
Well, we objected to your country supporting Hitler in WW2.
Both are irrelevant to the issue of Russian & Chinese conquest.
But that's the tool, isn't it...changing the subject.
It's related. Because I don't care if others makes wars. My country won't join any war. Period.
I don't care about what happens in Ukraine, let alone in the Pacific.
What bothers you is Obama's given name.
But you should care about wars.
One could land on your doorstep.
Who? The Americans? My country is already an enormous American military base...so they can't land, since they are already there
I'd rather we exit Italy, & not defend it.Who? The Americans? My country is already an enormous American military base...so they can't land, since they are already there
If Americans quit, the Russians land after 5 seconds and the Mediterranean becomes a Russian lake.
From your description of pro-Russian views in Italy, it's no loss.
But Russia's absorbing Italy's production capacity could enable
further conquest. Try to avoid it becoming necessary to some
day destroy Italian weapons manufacture for Russia.
I don't understand why Americans and Russians can't get along.
I struggle to figure out why they can't be allies.
In the EU we have so many issues to solve, so I couldn't care less about this war. And I wish Americans and Russians got along, because their enmity causes nothing but troubles.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the biggest hurdle.
Since Russian leaders have expressed interest
in conquering other EU countries, you should
become interested.
This argument implies that the US has another option that would save Ukrainians and not "use them as pawns." What is that option? What could the US and NATO do right now to that end aside from aiding Ukrainians in their defense of their people and land?
As far as I can see, the US only has three options:
- Supply Ukrainians with aid and weapons.
- Completely ignore the war and watch from the sidelines.
- Directly engage Russia militarily, triggering a third world war.
I fail to understand why the US looks down on us Europeans.
We Westerners are becoming an insignificant minority because when the world population is 10 billion people, we will be less than the 20%.
If we don't stick together, we will fall.