Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions

[Revoltingest]

I fail to understand why the US looks down on us Europeans.

Many here look up to Europe.
Moreover, Europeans (even on this forum)
seem to look down on USA. Meh...I don't
care about such feelings.

BTW, if Italy really does prefer Russia to
USA, then I fart in Italy's general direction.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many here look up to Europe.
Moreover, Europeans (even on this forum)
seem to look down on USA. Meh...I don't
care about such feelings.

BTW, if Italy really does prefer Russia to
USA, then I fart in Italy's general direction.

I love American commoners. But you can't tell me to love the Hillarys, the Obamas, the Pelosis...etc...too
please.

 

[lukethethird]

This argument implies that the US has another option that would save Ukrainians and not "use them as pawns." What is that option? What could the US and NATO do right now to that end aside from aiding Ukrainians in their defense of their people and land?

As far as I can see, the US only has three options:

1. Supply Ukrainians with aid and weapons.
2. Completely ignore the war and watch from the sidelines.
3. Directly engage Russia militarily, triggering a third world war.

I think the first option is by far the best and most humane not just to Ukrainians but everyone else.

The US and Nato provoked this invasion, they wanted it. They want to weaken Russia and if you aren't paying attention Washington is doing everything they can right now to provoke China into invading Taiwan. Taiwan and Ukraine are pawns in all of this.

A real option would be to sit down at the table and sign a peace treaty.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The US and Nato provoked this invasion, they wanted it. They want to weaken Russia and if you aren't paying attention Washington is doing everything they can right now to provoke China into invading Taiwan. Taiwan and Ukraine are pawns in all of this.

A real option would be to sit down at the table and sign a peace treaty.

What would be the conditions of the peace treaty? NATO have negotiated with Putin, but he has made it clear that he wants to keep annexed land and demilitarize Ukraine. A country can't demilitarize while its neighbor has imperialistic sights set on it.

As for China, let's not forget that it's also showing hostility by violating maritime boundaries of other countries and carrying out military displays of force to intimidate Taiwan. Such a global superpower is not naive enough to be "provoked" into a third world war; the CCP know exactly what they're doing.

 

[Estro Felino]

The US and Nato provoked this invasion, they wanted it. They want to weaken Russia and if you aren't paying attention Washington is doing everything they can right now to provoke China into invading Taiwan. Taiwan and Ukraine are pawns in all of this.

A real option would be to sit down at the table and sign a peace treaty.

Europeans want peace. Italy and Germany have made it clear that they won't send warfare to Kiev forever.
It's clear that there are warmongers in the US who are using Ukraine as battlefield for their personal proxy war against Putin.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Europeans want peace. Italy and Germany have made it clear that they won't send warfare to Kiev forever.
It's clear that there are warmongers in the US who are using Ukraine as battlefield for their personal proxy war against Putin.

If Italy were attacked and subjected to many war crimes by another country, would you want its allies to send aid or just watch and do nothing?

 

[Revoltingest]

Europeans want peace. Italy and Germany have made it clear that they won't send warfare to Kiev forever.

"Forever" isn't really under consideration.

It's clear that there are warmongers in the US who are using Ukraine as battlefield for their personal proxy war against Putin.

It's clear....but only to those who
believe that conspiracy theory.

 

[lukethethird]

What would be the conditions of the peace treaty? NATO have negotiated with Putin, but he has made it clear that he wants to keep annexed land and demilitarize Ukraine. A country can't demilitarize while its neighbor has imperialistic sights set on it.

As for China, let's not forget that it's also showing hostility by violating maritime boundaries of other countries and carrying out military displays of force to intimidate Taiwan. Such a global superpower is not naive enough to be "provoked" into a third world war; the CCP know exactly what they're doing.

China is responding to US provocations. What countries have China invaded? Hopefully they won't take the bait as Putin did.

What about the peace treaty that was on the table, the Minsk accord written up in 2015? You know, the one that Merkle, chancellor of Germany, recently admitted was a stalling tactic in order for Ukraine to have time to prepare for this war, the same peace treaty that Putin wanted to sign but the US refused to? Do you know anything at all about the history leading up to this invasion?

 

[Revoltingest]

China is responding to US provocations. What countries have China invaded?

Tibet.
And it's gearing up for Taiwan.

 

[Debater Slayer]

China is responding to US provocations. What countries have China invaded? Hopefully they won't take the bait as Putin did.

What about the peace treaty that was on the table, the Minsk accord written up in 2015? You know, the one that Merkle, chancellor of Germany, recently admitted was a stalling tactic in order for Ukraine to have time to prepare for this war, the same peace treaty that Putin wanted to sign but the US refused to? Do you anything at all about the history leading up to this invasion?

You mean this?

It set out military and political steps that remain unimplemented. A major blockage has been Russia's insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms.

Factbox: What are the Minsk agreements on the Ukraine conflict?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Anyone who thinks Putin is a peacemaker needs to read about what Russian forces did in Syria and Chechnya. He's a war criminal who should be ousted without compromise.

 

[Estro Felino]

Anyone who thinks Putin is a peacemaker needs to read about what Russian forces did in Syria and Chechnya. He's a war criminal who should be ousted without compromise.

It was the NATO that destroyed Libya. Not Putin.
This suffices me.

 

[lukethethird]

If Italy were attacked and subjected to many war crimes by another country, would you want its allies to send aid or just watch and do nothing?

You sound like a war profiteer licking your chops at the thought of a country invading Italy in order for you to seize on the opportunity.

 

[lukethethird]

It was the NATO that destroyed Libya. Not Putin.
This suffices me.

Yes, and it was Nato that bombed Kosovo as well.

 

[lukethethird]

Anyone who thinks Putin is a peacemaker needs to read about what Russian forces did in Syria and Chechnya. He's a war criminal who should be ousted without compromise.

Putin is a war criminal, and so is every president of the USA for the invasions it does on a routine basis.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, and it was Nato that bombed Kosovo as well.

Only Kosovo?

 

[Debater Slayer]

It was the NATO that destroyed Libya. Not Putin.
This suffices me.

No, NATO didn't destroy Libya. It had already been destroyed by Gaddafi's despotism and refusal to step down after nationwide protests demanded him to do so.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Putin is a war criminal, and so is every president of the USA for the invasions it does on a routine basis.

Multiple US presidents weren't better than Putin, yes, but that doesn't change what he's doing in Ukraine. His actions there stand or fall on their own merits, not on the merits of what the US has done.

 

[lukethethird]

Tibet.
And it's gearing up for Taiwan.

On its border. How many US invasions, bombings, and overthrowing of politically elected leaders by the US since the end of world war II? Can you name them all?

 

[Debater Slayer]

You sound like a war profiteer licking your chops at the thought of a country invading Italy in order for you to seize on the opportunity.

What are you talking about? You think I'm some government official or arms dealer? I don't even live in the West; I'm an Arab.