Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions

[Estro Felino]

My inability to name such things doesn't justify
Russia's invasion of Ukraine, & threats to do
the same in others, eg, Poland.
But if you like questions, ask how many of its
own people Russia murdered in various purges,
pogroms, & mass starvations.

Ukraine fired a missile to Poland, that had done nothing to her.
So I would never side with Ukraine, sorry.
2022 missile explosion in Poland - Wikipedia

 

[Revoltingest]

Ukraine fired a missile to Poland, that had done nothing to her.
So I would never side with Ukraine, sorry.
2022 missile explosion in Poland - Wikipedia

Another failed attempt to favor Putin over Ukraine, eh.
It seems you want this to appear as an attack upon
Poland by Ukraine. That's booOOooOOooOOogus.
Excerpted from your link...
On 15 November 2022, a missile struck the territory of Poland at the village of Przewodów near the border with Ukraine.[1][2][3] The incident occurred during an attack on Ukrainian cities and energy facilities by Russia.[4][5] It was the first incident of a missile (vis-a-vis prior UAV incursions) landing and exploding within NATO territory during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[6][7] Initial assessments by the United States found that the missile was likely to have been an air defence missile fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile.[8][9][10]

 

[lukethethird]

My inability to name such things doesn't justify
Russia's invasion of Ukraine, & threats to do
the same in others, eg, Poland.
But if you like questions, ask how many of its
own people Russia murdered in various purges,
pogroms, & mass starvations.

Nothing justifies Russia's invasion just as nothing justifies US using Ukraine as an opportunity to weaken Russia while making profits, and all at the expense of Ukrainians.

 

[Revoltingest]

...nothing justifies US using Ukraine as an opportunity to weaken Russia while making profits, and all at the expense of Ukrainians.

That's quite a fanciful conspiracy you have there.
I bet you believe we staged WW2 to weaken Russia too.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nothing justifies Russia's invasion just as nothing justifies US using Ukraine as an opportunity to weaken Russia while making profits, and all at the expense of Ukrainians.

The war has heavily affected the American and global economy. There's no financial profit in it for almost any country.

 

[Estro Felino]

Another failed attempt to favor Putin over Ukraine, eh.
It seems you want this to appear as an attack upon
Poland by Ukraine. That's booOOooOOooOOogus.
Excerpted from your link...
On 15 November 2022, a missile struck the territory of Poland at the village of Przewodów near the border with Ukraine.[1][2][3] The incident occurred during an attack on Ukrainian cities and energy facilities by Russia.[4][5] It was the first incident of a missile (vis-a-vis prior UAV incursions) landing and exploding within NATO territory during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[6][7] Initial assessments by the United States found that the missile was likely to have been an air defence missile fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile.[8][9][10]

If this was accidental...it means that Ukraine is dangerous and can't hit targets.

If it was not accidental, it means that Ukraine is disposed to attack a NATO country, so we NATO countries are dragged into this war, by treaty.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nothing justifies Russia's invasion just as nothing justifies US using Ukraine as an opportunity to weaken Russia while making profits, and all at the expense of Ukrainians.

Bravissimo.
I side with civilians on both sides. Because Russians and Ukrainians are both victims of this useless war.

I would have solved this issue with diplomacy. Around a table.

 

[lukethethird]

The war has heavily affected the American and global economy. There's no financial profit in it for almost any country.

That is exactly how the rich get richer and poor get poorer. The concentration of wealth into fewer hands is far greater since this started.

How many billionaires have been created in the past year while ordinary wages remain the same? Think about the tens of billions of dollars thrown at arms dealers in the past year. War is big business.

 

[Father Heathen]

Everyone knows it in Europe.

You certainly don't speak for all of Europe. Why aren't the other Europeans here echoing your sentiments?

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't understand why Americans and Russians can't get along.

Because most Americans don't like tyranny and terrorism.

 

[Father Heathen]

The US are supposed to be the beacon for the free world.

Helping the Ukrainian people defend themselves is precisely what the free world is doing right now.
You can't claim to want peace by siding with those who start conflicts.
The onus is on the aggressors, not the victims.

 

[Father Heathen]

And by the way...who will have to reconstruct Ukraine? Us Europeans.
If Zelensky had surrendered immediately, there wouldn't have been such a loss of human lives, and so much destruction.

He doesn't care. He stays safe and warm, while his people dies and is freezing to death.

Should the Allies have surrendered to The Axis Powers in order to avoid WW2?

 

[Father Heathen]

I fail to understand why the US looks down on us Europeans.
We Westerners are becoming an insignificant minority because when the world population is 10 billion people, we will be less than the 20%.
If we don't stick together, we will fall.

Fall to who/what?

 

[Father Heathen]

I love American commoners. But you can't tell me to love the Hillarys, the Obamas, the Pelosis...etc...too
please.

Nobody's telling you to do that, but what do they have to do with anything? Besides, you prostrate yourself before despots and sociopaths.
You adore and idolize those who facilitate rape, torture, and murder, so why do you even bother pretending that moral character matters to you?

 

[Father Heathen]

Libya is an open book to me.
Gaddafi used to fight radicalism, because he was an enlightened leader.
Radicals who wanted to take Libya back to the Middle Ages (and they succeeded, after overthrowing him).
Whom did Obama support? The radicals.

I don't know much about Syria but I guess it was the same recipe. Signed: Obama & Hillary

Are there any brutal tinpot dictators who you don't hero worship?

 

[lukethethird]

Helping the Ukrainian people defend themselves is precisely what the free world is doing right now.
You can't claim to want peace by siding with those who start conflicts.
The onus is on the aggressors, not the victims.

You don't seem to be aware that Putan wanted to sign the Minsk agreement that was drawn up by France and Germany, which in turn would have avoided all this.

This is not about good vs evil. Everything Russia stands for is not wrong and evil just as everything American is not good and just.

Using the Ukrainian people is what is going on here unless you think the powers that be in Washington don't have an agenda, and that the western mainstream media does not play a part in spreading propaganda.

Do a little research as to what lead up to this war. The west is not lilly white in all of this.

 

[lukethethird]

I have to wonder if Russian words and Chinese actions are related so I put these three in one thread to see what others think.

Russia State TV Says Eliminating U.S. Military Is Ultimate Goal

Putin Ally Calls for Striking Parliament in London: 'No More Red Lines'

Japan Says Chinese Navy Ship Entered Its Waters Early Sunday

It does not matter what these balloons turn out to be, it's all about a department within the Pentagon that wants more tax payer funding, and they are going to get it.

 

[Revoltingest]

If this was accidental...it means that Ukraine is dangerous and can't hit targets.

Any country at war is dangerous,
at least because of mistakes.

 

[lukethethird]

Any country at war is dangerous,
at least because of mistakes.

The biggest and stupidest mistake was Putin falling into Nato's trap.

 

[Revoltingest]

The biggest and stupidest mistake was Putin falling into Nato's trap.

NATO is neither that smart nor ambitious (in the way you think).