Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions

[Father Heathen]

You don't seem to be aware that Putan wanted to sign the Minsk agreement that was drawn up by France and Germany, which in turn would have avoided all this.

This is not about good vs evil. Everything Russia stands for is not wrong and evil just as everything American is not good and just.

Using the Ukrainian people is what is going on here unless you think the powers that be in Washington don't have an agenda, and that the western mainstream media does not play a part in spreading propaganda.

Do a little research as to what lead up to this war. The west is not lilly white in all of this.

I never said anyone was "pure good" or "pure evil", but who's on whose soil? Whose civilians are falling victim to war crimes? Putin is the one who who made the decision to resort to force. Concocting a bunch of cockamamie conspiracy theories changes nothing.

 

[lukethethird]

I never said anyone was "pure good" or "pure evil", but who's on whose soil? Whose civilians are falling victim to war crimes? Putin is the one who who made the decision to resort to force. Concocting a bunch of cockamamie conspiracy theories changes nothing.

Your one sided criticism certainly appears to follow a good vs evil theme. I get my information from source based news services and many experts have been warning about Ukraine becoming a battlefield since the 90's. You appear to be unaware of the events leading up to this invasion, and simply dismiss out of hand information as being conspiracy theory. You can do simple enough searches to find out these things for yourself.

 

[Estro Felino]

Are there any brutal tinpot dictators who you don't hero worship?

The socialist ones who don't bow to the banking gangs overseas, only.

 

[Estro Felino]

Should the Allies have surrendered to The Axis Powers in order to avoid WW2?

The opposite. My country surrendered to the Americans in 1943 to avoid a massacre,
What Zelensky didn't because he couldn't care less about his people.

 

[Father Heathen]

The socialist ones who don't bow to the banking gangs overseas, only.

So "banking gangs" are worse than those who facilitate the rape, torture, imprisonment, and execution of innocent people, including children?

And you're confident that your Christ approves of this fetishization of tyranny and brutality?

 

[Father Heathen]

The opposite. My country surrendered to the Americans in 1943 to avoid a massacre,
What Zelensky didn't because he couldn't care less about his people.

Wrong. Italy surrendered after it was already defeated and Mussolini's carcass was swinging in the wind.

Should Churchill have surrendered to the Nazis to save his people from the bombing runs?

 

[Revoltingest]

The opposite. My country surrendered to the Americans in 1943 to avoid a massacre,
What Zelensky didn't because he couldn't care less about his people.

There's a difference.
Ukraine is fighting for its own freedom.
Italy was fighting for Hitler....which
means even less caring about people.

 

[Revoltingest]

The opposite. My country surrendered to the Americans in 1943 to avoid a massacre,
What Zelensky didn't because he couldn't care less about his people.

There's a difference.
Ukraine is fighting for its own freedom.
Italy was fighting for Hitler. So Italy's
surrender was the right thing to do.

 

[Estro Felino]

Wrong. Italy surrendered after it was already defeated and Mussolini's carcass was swinging in the wind.

No, that was 1945. In 1943, the Great Council of Fascism voted for Mussolini's dismissal, and the King arrested him. Americans landed in Sicily few weeks after that, and in September the King signed an armistice with the Allies, in Sicily. To avoid a bloodshed. What Zelensky didn't.
Meanwhile all Italians sided with the King, whereas the Nazis freed Mussolini and occupied Northern Italy. The war ended in 1945, when the Americans defeated the Nazis in Northern Italy and Mussolini was killed.

 

[Father Heathen]

Your one sided criticism certainly appears to follow a good vs evil theme.

Torturing and raping children doesn't leave much room for moral ambiguity, does it?
For anyone to be capable of committing such acts tells me all I need to know about them. Same with their apologists.

I get my information from source based news services and many experts have been warning about Ukraine becoming a battlefield since the 90's. You appear to be unaware of the events leading up to this invasion, and simply dismiss out of hand information as being conspiracy theory. You can do simple enough searches to find out these things for yourself.

I've done my research. I prefer credible, objective, sunstantiated sources.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's a difference.
Ukraine is fighting for its own freedom.
Italy was fighting for Hitler. So Italy's
surrender was the right thing to do.

Okay, the point is that siding with Nazis is being on the wrong side of the war.
What about Azov Battalion?
The Azov Battalion: Extremists defending Mariupol – DW – 03/16/2022

For the record: Mussolini was arrested by the king in 1943 for lying to the Italian people, saying that the war would end very soon.

 

[Father Heathen]

No, that was 1945. In 1943, the Great Council of Fascism voted for Mussolini's dismissal, and the King arrested him. Americans landed in Sicily few weeks after that, and in September the King signed an armistice with the Allies, in Sicily. To avoid a bloodshed. What Zelensky didn't.
Meanwhile all Italians sided with the King, whereas the Nazis freed Mussolini and occupied Northern Italy. The war ended in 1945, when the Americans defeated the Nazis in Northern Italy and Mussolini was killed.

I stand corrected. Still a ****-poor comparison. Italy wasn't invaded without provocation, nor was it annexed.

If Italy was in Ukraine's position, would you urge your leader to surrender and concede to their demands, even if that meant sacrificing the land, freedom, and children of your fellow Italians, along with the erasure of your culture?

 

[Revoltingest]

What about Azov Battalion?

What about it?

 

[Estro Felino]

I stand corrected. Still a ****-poor comparison. Italy wasn't invaded without provocation, nor was it annexed.

If Italy was in Ukraine's position, would you urge your leader to surrender and concede to their demands, even if that meant sacrificing the land, freedom, and children of your fellow Italians, along with the erasure of your culture?

It was invaded. As far as I know, Italy had never bothered the US. The US invaded Italy. Not the other way around.

 

[Revoltingest]

It was invaded. As far as I know, Italy had never bothered the US. The US invaded Italy. Not the other way around.

Italy needed to be invaded.
Those Nazi allies needed their behinds spanked.

 

[Father Heathen]

It was invaded. As far as I know, Italy had never bothered the US. The US invaded Italy. Not the other way around.

It was part of an genocidal allegiance that attacked U.S. allies.

But what does the U.S. have to so with my scenario?

 

[Estro Felino]

It was part of an genocidal allegiance that attacked U.S. allies.

But what does the U.S. have to so with my scenario?

So many people here think that Zelensky should have surrendered and resigned.
Period. To avoid massacres and destructions.
Putin would have never occupied Kiev. He would have summoned the Ukrainian elections.

 

[Estro Felino]

Italy needed to be invaded.
Those Nazi allies needed their behinds spanked.

I am supporting this example, to make you guys see that my country was wise to sign an armistice immediately.
Because Italians wanted peace.

Does Zelensky want peace? I doubt it. Neither do his companions Soros, Nuland and their kind.

 

[Revoltingest]

Does Zelensky want peace?

I'm sure he does.
But he wants peace by winning, ie, to keep Ukraine from
becoming another Russian province under Putin's boot.
Your way, ie, just giving up, would embolden Putin to
pursue invasion of Moldova, Poland, & who knows
which other neighbors he covets.

 

[Father Heathen]

So many people here think that Zelensky should have surrendered and resigned.
Period. To avoid massacres and destructions.
Putin would have never occupied Kiev. He would have summoned the Ukrainian elections.

This is the same sort of victim blaming logic that rape apologists resort to. Disgusting.