Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions

[ImmortalFlame]

I vividly recall when some politicians used to call conspiracy theorists some magistrates that were investigating about the matrimony between mafia and politics.
Now these politicians are in jail.

So whoever misuses the expression conspiracy theory is not right, a priori, in my humble opinion.
It's a logical fallacy.

That depends. When you have absolutely zero evidence, it's a conspiracy theory.

You have no evidence.

 

[Estro Felino]

Go ahead then.

Like I said, I remember when you said you had a document that proved Putin wanted peace. And when I asked for it, you stopped talking about it and deleted all mention of it.

I believe you're just lying.

I hope UK grants us Italians Assange. We will give him the status of political refugees, persecuted because of political opinions.
I know who can speak about the shady plans behind the scenes. And Assange is one of them. But the number is not small. Don't forget that the relations between Russia and Italy have never stopped, not even after this war broke out.

 

[Estro Felino]

That depends. When you have absolutely zero evidence, it's a conspiracy theory.

You have no evidence.

I do have it. But I can provide with it only in a courtroom.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

For instance, you are from UK, right?
I hope UK grants us Italians Assange. We will give him the status of political refugees, persecuted because of political opinions.
I know who can speak about the shady plans behind the scenes. And Assange is one of them. But the number is not small. Don't forget that the relations between Russia and Italy have never stopped, not even after this war broke out.

Why are you rambling about something that has nothing to do with what I am asking you?

This seems to be a common strategy of yours: make a claim you can never support, and then when asked to support it you jump to a completely unrelated conspiracy theory or political minutiae.

Estro, I am calling you out. If you have evidence and facts, present them. Otherwise, I believe you are lying.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I do have it. But I can provide with it only in a courtroom.

No, you can present it now.

Do it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why are you rambling about something that has nothing to do with what I am asking you?

This seems to be a common strategy of yours: make a claim you can never support, and then when asked to support it you jump to a completely unrelated conspiracy theory or political minutiae.

Estro, I am calling you out. If you have evidence and facts, present them. Otherwise, I believe you are lying.

I have already provided with evidence in this forum. And the interlocutor used to deny the evidence.
In another thread.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, you can present it now.

Do it.

Witnesses who are not here.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I have already provided with evidence in this forum. And the interlocutor used to deny the evidence.
In another thread.
In a courtroom, sealioning is not allowed so a penal courtroom is the only proper place, where I can present the evidence.

I don't believe you.

And probably never will. I have caught you lying before to support your positions, and I am unwilling to believe you are capable of engaging in this topic in good faith. You are simply a propagandist for Russia, willing to say or claim anything on this matter to justify Putin's actions.

Prove me wrong.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Witnesses who are not here.

We're here.

Present your evidence now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Present your evidence now.

There is none to present....just empty claims.
Here is the reality, for which I offer links to
indisputable proof....
Russian men & women have been losing the ability
to reproduce. Its men aren't real men.

Spoiler: Russian men these days

Its women are uninterested in them, & thus are becoming
barren. So Russia's population has been falling.
Russia Population 1950-2023
So the Putin Plan (the PP) is to create orphans in
Ukraine, kidnap them, re-educate them in Siberia,
& assimilate them as Russians. With Russian soldiers
being unable to satisfy or interest women back home,
they find relief by raping men, women, & livestock
in Ukraine before slaughtering them.
Russian ‘re-education camps’ hold thousands of Ukrainian kids, per report
Then they can serve as factory workers, & as
soldiers in future invasions of former Soviet satellites.
Putin's PP is the only way Russia can survive.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

There is none to present....just empty claims.
Here is the reality, for which I offer links to
indisputable proof....
Russian men & women have been losing the ability
to reproduce. Its men aren't real men.

Spoiler: Russian men these days

Its women are uninterested in them, & thus are becoming
barren. So Russia's population has been falling.
Russia Population 1950-2023
So the Putin Plan (the PP) is to create orphans in
Ukraine, kidnap them, re-educate them in Siberia,
& assimilate them as Russians. With Russian soldiers
being unable to satisfy or interest women back home,
they find relief by raping men, women, & livestock
in Ukraine before slaughtering them.
Russian ‘re-education camps’ hold thousands of Ukrainian kids, per report
Then they can serve as factory workers, & as
soldiers in future invasions of former Soviet satellites.
Putin's PP is the only way Russia can survive.

So, to recap:

Evidence Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the result of a somehow Soros-involved conspiracy but is also a direct consequence of Ukraine and NATO and "the west" deliberately "provoking" Russia into invading: 0

Evidence Putin is an insane, genocidal tyrant: A lot.

 

[Estro Felino]

So, to recap:

Evidence Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the result of a somehow Soros-involved conspiracy but is also a direct consequence of Ukraine and NATO and "the west" deliberately "provoking" Russia into invading: 0

Evidence Putin is an insane, genocidal tyrant: A lot.

If Nuland and Poroshenko have nothing to hide, I invite them to The Hague to testify,
Or to a criminal court in my country.

If they refuse to testify, it means they have something to hide. They are guilty of something.
For the record: in my country we have no Fifth Amendment for witnesses. So if they refuse to answer questions, they will be jailed for reticent testimony.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is none to present....just empty claims.
Here is the reality, for which I offer links to
indisputable proof....
Russian men & women have been losing the ability
to reproduce. Its men aren't real men.

Spoiler: Russian men these days

Its women are uninterested in them, & thus are becoming
barren. So Russia's population has been falling.
Russia Population 1950-2023
So the Putin Plan (the PP) is to create orphans in
Ukraine, kidnap them, re-educate them in Siberia,
& assimilate them as Russians. With Russian soldiers
being unable to satisfy or interest women back home,
they find relief by raping men, women, & livestock
in Ukraine before slaughtering them.
Russian ‘re-education camps’ hold thousands of Ukrainian kids, per report
Then they can serve as factory workers, & as
soldiers in future invasions of former Soviet satellites.
Putin's PP is the only way Russia can survive.

I don't side with Russians. I side with my own country.

In my country, right now, all media (leftist, rightist) are writing about Seymour Hersh who said it was the US intelligence to make Nordstream pipelines blow up.
Now you understand that the Pentagon's credibility is below zero, in my country.
Us bombed Nord Stream gas pipeline, claims investigative journalist Seymour Hersh - Sbilanciamoci - L’economia com’è e come può essere. Per un’Italia capace di futuro

 

[Revoltingest]

So, to recap:

Evidence Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the result of a somehow Soros-involved conspiracy but is also a direct consequence of Ukraine and NATO and "the west" deliberately "provoking" Russia into invading: 0

Evidence Putin is an insane, genocidal tyrant: A lot.

You only left out the "banking elite"
running the whole show.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If Nuland and Poroshenko have nothing to hide, I invite them to The Hague to testify,
Or to a criminal court in my country.

If they refuse to testify, it means they have something to hide. They are guilty of something.
For the record: in my country we have no Fifth Amendment for witnesses. So if they refuse to answer questions, they will be jailed for reticent testimony.

Is that the same Poroshenko who you quoted saying a bunch of things that they didn't actually say?

Maybe some day they will. And maybe some day they'll release those "confidential documents" that "prove Putin wants peace" that you mentioned previously. Or maybe some day I'll see you in the news, having stood up and given evidence in front of a court and having overturned all evidence to the contrary that, actually, Russia is totally justified in invading Ukraine.

Maybe some day I may look the west on the light of the third day and see you riding majestically astride a white horse, flanked by the Riders of Rohan, as you plunge staff-forward into the valley to slay the orcish armies of Mordor - the pure, white light of the sun blazing forth at your call as you scream bloody death to the enemies of all that is good.

Maybe these things will happen.

Or, maybe you're just lying now, like you lied before.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You only left out the "banking elite"
running the whole show.

Ah yes, can't forget them. Those sneaky, sneaky "bankers". Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't side with Russians. I side with my own country.

In my country, right now, all media (leftist, rightist) are writing about Seymour Hersh who said it was the US intelligence to make Nordstream pipelines blow up.
Now you understand that the Pentagon's credibility is below zero, in my country.
Us bombed Nord Stream gas pipeline, claims investigative journalist Seymour Hersh - Sbilanciamoci - L’economia com’è e come può essere. Per un’Italia capace di futuro

I don't trust Italian propaganda.
First they loved Hitler.
Now they love Putin.
Their credibility is lower than zero.

 

[Estro Felino]

Is that the same Poroshenko who you quoted saying a bunch of things that they didn't actually say?

Maybe some day they will. And maybe some day they'll release those "confidential documents" that "prove Putin wants peace" that you mentioned previously. Or maybe some day I'll see you in the news, having stood up and given evidence in front of a court and having overturned all evidence to the contrary that, actually, Russia is totally justified in invading Ukraine.

Maybe some day I may look the west on the light of the third day and see you riding majestically astride a white horse, flanked by the Riders of Rohan, as the plunge into the valley to slay the orcish armies of Mordor - the pure, white light of the sun blazing forth at your call as you scream bloody death to the enemies of all that is good.

Maybe these things will happen.

Or, maybe you're just lying now, like you lied before.

You know, on this forum, I have seen that people easily deny the evidence.
So, with all due respect, I give up with providing people with evidence.

Example: I posted a video of Nuland saying unspeakable things against the EU, and someone said it was not even her voice.
So with these premises, I guess debating is useless.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't trust Italian propaganda.
First they loved Hitler.
Now they love Putin.
Their credibility is lower than zero.

I love my own people, because they voted for a Prime Minister who spoke out against the Sorosian monstrous institutions that haunt the EU.

 

[Revoltingest]

I love my own people, because they voted for a Prime Minister who spoke out against the Sorosian monstrous institutions that haunt the EU.

Italians do make a good shotgun though.
The Benelli M4 is tough, & survives being
dropped when given up while surrendering.