Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions

[Revoltingest]

This is the same sort of victim blaming logic that rape apologists resort to. Disgusting.

Zelensky should "relax & enjoy it".

 

[Father Heathen]

Zelensky should "relax & enjoy it".

"To avoid rape, consent. You could get hurt trying to resist, and that would be your own fault. Safety whistles and pepper spray only escalate the situation."

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It was invaded. As far as I know, Italy had never bothered the US. The US invaded Italy. Not the other way around.

Well....Italy went and declared war on the US. It's a little tough to complain about US attacks after that....

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I am supporting this example, to make you guys see that my country was wise to sign an armistice immediately.
Because Italians wanted peace.

Does Zelensky want peace? I doubt it. Neither do his companions Soros, Nuland and their kind.

Neville Chamberlain also wanted peace, if we're resorting to old examples.
The question isn't 'do you want peace' so much as choosing the path which ultimately results in less war. Which is more difficult to identify than just refusing to fight.

 

[Estro Felino]

Neville Chamberlain also wanted peace, if we're resorting to old examples.
The question isn't 'do you want peace' so much as choosing the path which ultimately results in less war. Which is more difficult to identify than just refusing to fight.

The question is: "dear Zelensky, are you disposed to sacrifice hundreds of human lives instead of negotiating and finding a diplomatic solution?".
The answer is yes. He does want to sacrifice them. But he won't go to the battlefield, of course. He stays safe and warm.

 

[Revoltingest]

The question is: "dear Zelensky, are you disposed to sacrifice hundreds of human lives instead of negotiating and finding a diplomatic solution?".
The answer is yes. He does want to sacrifice them. But he won't go to the battlefield, of course. He stays safe and warm.

What diplomatic solution do you think
would be acceptable to Putin?
What consequences do you think this
would have for Moldova & Poland?

 

[Wandering Monk]

Neville Chamberlain also wanted peace, if we're resorting to old examples.
The question isn't 'do you want peace' so much as choosing the path which ultimately results in less war. Which is more difficult to identify than just refusing to fight.

Yeah, and he gave away OTHER PEOPLE'S countries for 'peace in our time.'

 

[Father Heathen]

The question is: "dear Zelensky, are you disposed to sacrifice hundreds of human lives instead of negotiating and finding a diplomatic solution?".
The answer is yes. He does want to sacrifice them. But he won't go to the battlefield, of course. He stays safe and warm.

Shouldn't Italy offer Russia some of its own territory - perhaps Sicily - for the sake of peace, if that's what they truly want?

 

[Estro Felino]

Shouldn't Italy offer Russia some of its own territory - perhaps Sicily - for the sake of peace, if that's what they truly want?

Diplomacy is something extraordinarily effective and marvelously fruitful.
Because anything can be negotiated. And the art of bargaining is better than using weapons.

Weapons are bad, I am even against the 2nd amendment, go figure.

If the two belligerent parties really want peace, there are thousands of international lawyers that can help them negotiate, around a table. And Ukraine won't lose anything. Any territory.
It will get enormous economic advantages.

 

[lukethethird]

Torturing and raping children doesn't leave much room for moral ambiguity, does it?
For anyone to be capable of committing such acts tells me all I need to know about them. Same with their apologists.


I've done my research. I prefer credible, objective, sunstantiated sources.

Of course the evil is one sided, only Russians rape and torture otherwise it doesn't fit with the narrative.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course the evil is one sided, only Russians rape and torture otherwise it doesn't fit with the narrative.

I never said that. The difference is that, even if you could argue that Ukrainian soldiers would do the same, they're not in Russia to do it.

 

[lukethethird]

I never said that. The difference is that, even if you could argue that Ukrainian soldiers would do the same, they're not in Russia to do it.

Oh, so it's all good then to rape and torture the Russian speaking Ukrainians of east Ukraine.

 

[Father Heathen]

Oh, so it's all good then to rape and torture the Russian speaking Ukrainians of east Ukraine.

Of course it isn't. Are you suggesting that one justifies the other?

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course it isn't. Are you suggesting that one justifies the other?

No...but who started it is to blame.
It means that they wanted to use a pretext to provoke the Russians.
And I can demonstrate it in any International Penal Court.
I wait for Soros, Nuland and their similar, to The Hague, to talk about it.

 

[Father Heathen]

No...but who started it is to blame.

Holodomor - Wikipedia

Also, stop trying to shoehorn your weird love obsession with Soros into everything.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Oh, so it's all good then to rape and torture the Russian speaking Ukrainians of east Ukraine.

What evidence exists of widespread, state-sanctioned torture or rape of Russian speaking Ukrainians in East Ukraine?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No...but who started it is to blame.

Russia.

It means that they wanted to use a pretext to provoke the Russians.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to suggest that Ukraine deliberately provoked Russia into invading them?

And I can demonstrate it in any International Penal Court.

Really? Like you could demonstrate Putin wanted peace with some "classified documents" you had? I remember you telling met that here: The NATO

And yet, funnily enough, these documents ceased to appear, were never mentioned again, and you even edited all mention of them out of your previous posts.

You have already proven that you are willing to outright lie to support a pro-Russia narrative. I would trust you on subjects of international relations as much as I would trust a snake to play a banjo.

I wait for Soros, Nuland and their similar, to The Hague, to talk about it.

When in doubt, engage in conspiracy theories.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russia.


Are you SERIOUSLY trying to suggest that Ukraine deliberately provoked Russia into invading them?
.

I can demonstrate it.
I have so much material and witnesses...that I can demonstrate it in any international or national criminal court in Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

When in doubt, engage in conspiracy theories.

I vividly recall when some politicians used to call conspiracy theorists some magistrates that were investigating about the matrimony between mafia and politics.
Now these politicians are in jail.

So whoever misuses the expression conspiracy theory is not right, a priori, in my humble opinion.
It's a logical fallacy.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I can demonstrate it.
I have so much material and witnesses...that I can demonstrate it in any international or national criminal court in Europe.

Go ahead then.

Like I said, I remember when you said you had a document that proved Putin wanted peace. And when I asked for it, you stopped talking about it and deleted all mention of it.

I believe you're just lying.