Sam Harris on Trump's Executive Order

[Debater Slayer]

What does that even mean? The left realizes that terrorists come in all religions and creeds. We're just not in the habit of painting every single muslim as a terrorist.

Neither is Harris, but he's more open to criticizing the religious extremism of some terrorists and its dogmatic foundations than many on the left.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Who cares what he thinks, he's not the president and he will never be, plus he hates Muslims, he would be the first to ban them from coming in.

1) Who cares what he thinks? Well, when he posted the article in the OP on his Facebook page, his website crashed—apparently from the traffic—and many of his page's followers were waiting for the site to come back up so that we would know what he thought. For good reason, too, since he has been right about many things before.

2) It doesn't matter if he's not the president; he's still far more honest and rational than many politicians, including the current President of the U.S.

3) You've defended Trump's anti-immigration order before, but in order to dismiss Harris's criticism of said order, you accuse him of "hating Muslims" and say he'd ban Muslims—even though the article clearly rejected the ban. So the guy who issued a ban on refugees from a Muslim country is fine, but the one criticizing him and his decision is the one hating Muslims now?

Really?

 

[Debater Slayer]

So you say, if he had the same power as Trump it would be a complete different story, but he hasn't and never will.

Yeah, Harris certainly isn't the President. He actually spends time thinking about important issues and analyzing them instead of trolling and ranting about them on Twitter.

 

[psychoslice]

What are you saying? I said Sam Harris puts Christianity in the same light Islam and he seems fine with writing a talking all about it.

Well I must be seeing the Sam Harris that you don't see, I don't like Sam Harris and I listen to him all the time, but he doesn't know everything, just as Trump or any other president doesn't know everything, just as you and I don't also.

 

[psychoslice]

1) Who cares what he thinks? Well, when he posted the article in the OP on his Facebook page, his website crashed—apparently from the traffic—and many of his page's followers were waiting for the site to come back up so that we would know what he thought. For good reason, too, since he has been right about many things before.

2) It doesn't matter if he's not the president; he's still far more honest and rational than many politicians, including the current President of the U.S.

3) You've defended Trump's anti-immigration order before, but in order to dismiss Harris's criticism of said order, you accuse him of "hating Muslims" and say he'd ban Muslims—even though the article clearly rejected the ban. So the guy who issued a ban on refugees from a Muslim country is fine, but the one criticizing him and his decision is the one hating Muslims now?

Really?

Well you have already explained why I don't agree with him, of course there needs to be a ban, its getting out of hand and you know it. All Trump wants to do is to simply sort out the trash from the good, and there is a lot of trash, so by halting the influx he then can in some order find the good from the trash, why on earth is hard to understand that !.?

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah, Harris certainly isn't the President. He actually spends time thinking about important issues and analyzing them instead of trolling and ranting about them on Twitter.

Don't call me a troll, I have the same rights as you to voice my opinion if you like it or not, now be a good boy.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Don't call me a troll, I have the same rights as you to voice my opinion if you like it or not, now be a good boy.

I was talking about Trump, not you.

 

[psychoslice]

I was talking about Trump, not you.

Well then I am sorry.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Well you have already explained why I don't agree with him, of course there needs to be a ban, its getting out of hand and you know it. All Trump wants to do is to simply sort out the trash from the good, and there is a lot of trash, so by halting the influx he then can in some order find the good from the trash, why on earth is hard to understand that !.?

That's just scaremongering on the part of many conservatives to justify xenophobia. How many Syrians, Somalians, Iranians, etc., have killed people on U.S. soil compared to citizens who have engaged in gun violence, for example? Scapegoating minorities and immigrants to look like a reasonable leader who cares about the people's interests seems to me to be a red flag that indicates tyrannical and bigoted thinking.

 

[psychoslice]

I was talking about Trump, not you.

I only just realized your a staff member, please be gentle with me.

 

[psychoslice]

That's just scaremongering on the part of many conservatives to justify xenophobia. How many Syrians, Somalians, Iranians, etc., have killed people on U.S. soil compared to citizens who have engaged in gun violence, for example? Scapegoating minorities and immigrants to look like a reasonable leader who cares about the people's interests seems to me to be a red flag that indicates tyrannical and bigoted thinking.

Yes that is true, but after seeing what is happening throughout the words, in places such Germany, its not looking good at all. Why do people go to another part of the world that they know very well people there don't agree with their way of life, meaning their religious views.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well you have already explained why I don't agree with him, of course there needs to be a ban, its getting out of hand and you know it. All Trump wants to do is to simply sort out the trash from the good, and there is a lot of trash, so by halting the influx he then can in some order find the good from the trash, why on earth is hard to understand that !.?

Saudi Arabia was included in the good...

 

[psychoslice]

Saudi Arabia was included in the good...

Well if that wasn't the case Trump will deal with it, Obama stuffed it all up, now Trump must fix it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well if that wasn't the case Trump will deal with it, Obama stuffed it all up, now Trump must fix it.

Are you sure you want to keep posting pro-Trump throwaway lines?
You're going to be asked to explain or defend your point of view if you do.

I mean...what's your opinion on the choice of countries (7) and for the exclusion of some interesting Muslim-majority countries like the KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), UAE, etc?

 

[psychoslice]

If I may show you thins video, this is what I don't want in my country.

 

[psychoslice]

Are you sure you want to keep posting pro-Trump throwaway lines?
You're going to be asked to explain or defend your point of view if you do.

I mean...what's your opinion on the choice of countries (7) and for the exclusion of some interesting Muslim-majority countries like the KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), UAE, etc?

Anyway I have said what I needed to say, time will tell.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What are you saying? I said Sam Harris puts Christianity in the same light Islam and he seems fine with writing a talking all about it.

Harris is a wonderful example of someone who points out the flaws in a religious text and criticizing the ideas of that religion without attacking the adherents of that religion.

Given I'm at a dead end on the whole issue I may have to do that.

Personally, I think A Letter to a Christian Nation should be required high school reading. It's short, concise, and highlights many of the problems America faces that are on the hands on Christianity. End of Faith is good, but basically if you've read the Bible and Quran there isn't anything new he points out and given how Islamic Middle East/Northern Africa are in many ways very comparable Christian Europe of ages past, then all you're going to get out of it is that he puts together some very good and well thought out positions. Generally, to disagree with him requires you to have to put together your own well thought out position backed by evidence.

 

[habiru]

If I may show you thins video, this is what I don't want in my country.

In their country that it is normal to walk through traffic as an walkway. Most countries like the ones that they had came from doesn't has sidewalks. But in our country, that is against the law to jay-walk. But It our laws, I believes that it doesn't says anything about riding horses on the roads, unless you must have something to pick up their waste. But then it is organic, and and i think that it is not enforced on certain highways. And so they might try riding horses through our public roads just to keep from spending money on fuel.

 

[psychoslice]

In their country that it is normal to walk through traffic as an walkway. Most countries like the ones that they had came from doesn't has sidewalks. But in our country, that is against the law to jay-walk. But It our laws, I believes that it doesn't says anything about riding horses on the roads, unless you must have something to pick up their waste. But then it is organic, and and i think that it is not enforced on certain highways. And so they might try riding horses through our public roads just to keep from spending money on fuel.

Its just not right, they should be educated before entering another country, introducing the wrong species of animals is the same, and yes we are all animals, there's not deference.

 

[habiru]

Its just not right, they should be educated before entering another country, introducing the wrong species of animals is the same, and yes we are all animals, there's not deference.

They used to educated them before, because you never seen them to do this before., But ever since President Trump had came into office....