Sam Harris on Trump's Executive Order

[psychoslice]

They used to educated them before, because you never seen them to do this before., But ever since President Trump had came into office....

Bull, that all happened with stupid Obama, this is what Trump wants, to organize things a lot better, simple.

 

[habiru]

Bull, that all happened with stupid Obama, this is what Trump wants, to organize things a lot better, simple.

Yes, it all started happening before Obama has left the office. Nobody never speak about what has happened to Somalia. That country has fallen real badly. The Muslims had torn that country apart. The Muslims that were hijacking those ships and gotten paid millions of dollar ransom. That even they had left from that country with the money and had moved abroad to run down other countries. And they are not mentioning about the northern Nigerians that is infested with Muslims that are kidnapping southern Nigerian's women and girls, and which southern Nigeria is a Christian country. That the northern is trying to take over the whole country and want all to be Muslims. But our government doesn't care. They are just taking advantage of the deal that they are getting for the barrels of oil. The refineries are in the southern part, but the oil is oil the northern part of Nigeria. And so they send their oil to be refined to the States and which we get barrels of oil for a good price for refining theirs. But their country is also falling apart.
Oooo, we just love these Muslims

 

[psychoslice]

Yes, it all started happening before Obama has left the office. Nobody never speak about what has happened to Somalia. That country has fallen real badly. The Muslims had torn that country apart. The Muslims that were hijacking those ships and gotten paid millions of dollar ransom. That even they had left from that country with the money and had moved abroad to run down other countries. And they are not mentioning about the northern Nigerians that is infested with Muslims that are kidnapping southern Nigerian's women and girls, and which southern Nigeria is a Christian country. That the northern is trying to take over the whole country and want all to be Muslims. But our government doesn't care. They are just taking advantage of the deal that they are getting for the barrels of oil. The refineries are in the southern part, but the oil is oil the northern part of Nigeria. And so they send their oil to be refined to the States and which we get barrels of oil for a good price for refining theirs. But their country is also falling apart.
Oooo, we just love these Muslims

Yes and more reason why Trump should be doing what he is doing, good on him, its about time someone with balls are doing what they are doing.

 

[LuisDantas]

Harris is a wonderful example of someone who points out the flaws in a religious text and criticizing the ideas of that religion without attacking the adherents of that religion.

Personally, I think A Letter to a Christian Nation should be required high school reading. It's short, concise, and highlights many of the problems America faces that are on the hands on Christianity. End of Faith is good, but basically if you've read the Bible and Quran there isn't anything new he points out and given how Islamic Middle East/Northern Africa are in many ways very comparable Christian Europe of ages past, then all you're going to get out of it is that he puts together some very good and well thought out positions. Generally, to disagree with him requires you to have to put together your own well thought out position backed by evidence.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What has happened to this thread?
It seems to have reverted to a discussion in Ignorant gibberish.

 

[Notanumber]

He makes some good points here.

There is absolutely nothing that ISIS is doing that Muhammad didn’t do.

They take sex slaves just the same as Muhammad did.

He makes a good point about Buddhists.

ISIS has the theology on their side.

Charlie Hebdo was mocking other religions as well as Islam, but only the religion of peace retaliated.

Political correctness is enslaving the free thinkers. If you are killed for doing or saying something that offends Islam, it is your own fault. The Mormons wouldn’t come after you for speaking against them.

Instead of defending free speech when the Benghazi Embassy was attacked because of a YouTube video, the state department capitulated.

He said there is a politician in the UK that would like to reintroduce a blasphemy law that would make islamophobia a criminal offence.

Is freedom of speech restricted because of our need for oil?

He says we have to support the genuine reformers in the Muslim world, but the western liberals criticise the wrong parties. Liberalism has lost the plot!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Mormons wouldn’t come after you for speaking against them.

They won't come for your life, but they have come after people's marriages before. And I have to wonder why be scornful against Islam while being so light on Christianity? The Mormon Church showed how little they care for civil liberties, and indeed there have been Christian politicians who have wanted to bully their way around and force people, under penalty of law, to adhere to Christian dogma, with at least going as far as stating we should stone homosexuals just like the Bible says to.

 

[Augustus]

I find myself somewhat in that position, not because I'm not happy religious people are taking a more liberal approach to interpreting their scriptures, but because I do not believe the allegorical interpretation fits with the intent of the writers. That is, I don't believe it was just a divine story made to be taken allegorically but a literal story as written and the authors simply didn't have the right information to make valid conclusions about our world, and no extra divine insight to correct for their oversight. Obviously many non-literal believers would disagree with that assessment, and that's (among the reasons) why they're Christian at all, and I am not.

I'm not sure that they did take it all literally, or even that the modern concepts of literal/allegorical are not anachronistic.

The Bible is full of contradictions for one, and those who compiled the Bible clearly didn't find this at all problematic. Many polytheists didn't take their religions literally, and monotheism evolved from these traditions.

Things like 'an eye for an eye' were not taken literally and related to financial compensation (although later on some Muslims at times did apply it literally)

The idea that a pure literalism represents the 'original' interpretation is at best highly contentious.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The idea that a pure literalism represents the 'original' interpretation is at best highly contentious.

It was certainly taken far more literally then than it is now.