Same-sex marriage races ahead

[lewisnotmiller]

Why do Brits allow people to make up laws like that?
Could another "set of residents" append their local laws to prohibit Islam? Or homosex, or female drivers?

Tom

I'm not 100% on this, so any Brits should feel free to howl me down.

I believe there are some options for people to submit to Sharia courts voluntarily. The laws of the land still apply. Posters like the ones shown are not actually legally enforceable against anyone who is not voluntarily submitting to Sharia. Something like a prohibition against music, for example, isn't illegal. But a Sharia court could prosecute someone willingly submitting to Sharia.

A quick example of application of Sharia Law as an addition to the existing laws of the land...

Sharia Law to be in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines Islamic rules | Mail Online

What happens if a disinherited child (for example) challenges the will would be interesting, I guess.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And attempting to keep people segregated would be helpful? Isn't that the opposite of what we want?

I never proposed that. You've heard the saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do", correct? If you're going to emigrate to another country, it's only common sense that you should make an effort to adhere to the values of the place you're moving to by doing such things as learning the language and participating in the wider culture. Of course, it's great to add your own ethnic spice to it. That's the "melting pot" concept, where there's an overall unity but space for diversity.

But moving to a country and acting like you're still in your homeland and expecting everyone to change to suit you? No. That's what I'm against. Those people can go right back to where they came from.

 

[columbus]

I'm not 100% on this, so any Brits should feel free to howl me down.

I believe there are some options for people to submit to Sharia courts voluntarily. The laws of the land still apply. Posters like the ones shown are not actually legally enforceable against anyone who is not voluntarily submitting to Sharia. Something like a prohibition against music, for example, isn't illegal. But a Sharia court could prosecute someone willingly submitting to Sharia.

A quick example of application of Sharia Law as an addition to the existing laws of the land...

Sharia Law to be in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines Islamic rules | Mail Online

What happens if a disinherited child (for example) challenges the will would be interesting, I guess.

Can somebody decide not to submit to a Sharia court during a proceeding? Why would anybody accept an unfavourable ruling from a voluntary court?
Can anybody set up a court? Could I rent a storefront and offer legal rulings to passerbys?

Tom

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Can somebody decide not to submit to a Sharia court during a proceeding? Why would anybody accept an unfavourable ruling from a voluntary court?
Can anybody set up a court? Could I rent a storefront and offer legal rulings to passerbys?

Tom

Stepping way outside my pay grade here, but what the heck...

Muslim Arbitration Tribunal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like any other form of arbitration, I would imagine these are voluntary rather than mandated, unless a court directs you to them. Not aware of courts directing people to this means of resolution, and am assuming they are not doing so.

They would need to comply with whatever any other arbitration body would need to, from a legal point of view. Not sure what that is in UK law, but don't think it's quite the store-front option.

As for submitting to the 'court' ruling, I think the decision is made voluntarily, but before the case is heard. So people are either hoping for a better ruling than they'd otherwise get (makes a lot of sense if you're a male in certain situations) or they are submitting as they believe it is the right thing to do, for religious or cultural reasons.

Or, of course, there is a level of cultural expectation, mistrust of Western courts & authorities, some sort of co-ercion, etc, etc. Lotsa reasons, I would hazard a guess.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Hoo boy, am I gonna have a lot to say about all this stuff...

Many live in the US, a heavily armed civilian population who cares less for radicalized Islam than it does for gays. A take over ain't happening here any time soon.

Unless, of course, the people who take over are the people who have the guns.

Just sayin'.

Christians like you and Brit Muslims like that are making me appreciate my redneck little corner of the world.

Why would you allow a "sharia controlled zone"? If British law is unsuitable for the residents what is the point of it?

We don't allow them. Sharia law isn't legally enforced anywhere in the UK. Those posters were put up by radical Islamist group Islam4UK, a group who are regarded as extremists by the vast majority of British Muslims, who enforced the posters with vigilante groups.
Islam4UK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, these posters were put up last year, and the vigilante groups have since been arrested for harassment:
Muslim vigilantes jailed for 'sharia law' attacks in London | UK news | The Guardian

The only cases in which Sharia law is legally accepted in the UK is in very specific court cases in which both plaintiff and defendant agree to adhere to Sharia law. The British court system has observed Jewish legal customs as well for much longer: BBC NEWS | UK | Religious courts already in use . Sharia courts are only enforceable in civil cases, mostly regarding property and finance.

Sharia law is categorically NOT taking over the UK, and is NOT legally enforced or supported.

Why do Brits allow people to make up laws like that?

Erm, we don't. This was a group of extremists, creating their own laws and enforcing them through vigilante-style terrorism. The laws were not legally enforced, and the vigilantes were subsequently arrested.

The cult of multiculturalism and political correctness stifles objections. It's a big mess.

Well, it certainly didn't stifle the vigilantes being arrested, their posters being taken down and Sharia law not being legally enforced.

So, now that we all have a bit of an education on this matter, perhaps we can stop the ridiculous hyperbole and ignorant knee-jerking.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Perhaps gays think they'll get an easy ride when Islam takes over, but I very much doubt it..
For example muslim vigilante patrols hassle gays and put up posters like these in muslim areas of Brit cities-

Christians like you and Brit Muslims like that are making me appreciate my redneck little corner of the world.
Why would you allow a "sharia controlled zone"? If British law is unsuitable for the residents what is the point of it?..

The muslims over here are a law unto themselves and can do as they please because our politically-correct police and government are scared of upsetting them.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The muslims over here are a law unto themselves and can do as they please because our politically-correct police and government are scared of upsetting them.

'Muslim patrol' investigation leads to double arrest | UK news | theguardian.com
Muslim vigilantes jailed for 'sharia law' attacks in London | UK news | The Guardian

Their laws are not legally enforced, and the vigilante groups they used to enforce them were arrested.

But, hey, since when did the facts ever get in the way of spreading hate about minorities?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The muslims over here are a law unto themselves and can do as they please because our politically-correct police and government are scared of upsetting them.

I'm not sure if you're merely uninformed on this issue or being deliberately dishonest. These "sharia control zone" stickers were the product of one guy for what appears to be a photo op several years ago. They have no legal weight and nobody is going around trying to enforce them. As this article explains, they're the equivalent of some guy taking it upon himself putting up "no Bieber music" in his neighbourhood, which everyone then ignores:

Shari Law Controlled Zones in Britain - Internet Rumour

 

[Kielbasa]

Perhaps gays think they'll get an easy ride when Islam takes over, but I very much doubt it..
For example muslim vigilante patrols hassle gays and put up posters like these in muslim areas of Brit cities-

If you look carefully at the above picture, you'll see there's urine all over it.

Our British brothers care as much for theocracy as we do.

 

[Father Heathen]

Perhaps gays think they'll get an easy ride when Islam takes over, but I very much doubt it..
For example muslim vigilante patrols hassle gays and put up posters like these in muslim areas of Brit cities-

That won't happen here in the U.S., because we actually have a backbone.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That won't happen here in the U.S., because we actually have a backbone.

A selective backbone. The US has no shortage of religious groups who bully others to get their way.

 

[Father Heathen]

Incidentally, by wanting the word 'marriage', it's backfiring on gay couples because it makes it look like they just want to "play at" being married.
Also, a lot of straights don't like the idea of them hijacking the word "marriage".
So a better idea would be to keep the term "civil union", but tighten up the small print to give gay couples exactly the same legal rights and status as male/female married couples..

It's cute how you've ignored rebutals that addessed your earlier post, and instead posted a virtually identical post later in the same thread.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

That won't happen here in the U.S., because we actually have a backbone.

I hear Mexicans are illegally crossing into the US all the time but the politicians seem afraid to tackle it..

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That won't happen here in the U.S., because we actually have a backbone.

Except when it comes to right-wing Christians, the gun lobby, and the banks, of course.

 

[oldbadger]

"Tranny" is to trans people what "f****t" is to gay men. We call ourselves transgender and/or transsexual.

Excuse my late post about the above........ I've been slacking!

No! In the UK we do not (tend to) call transexuals or transgenders 'trannies'.
In the UK we have called transvestites 'trannies', and this term has been used for decades to describe male transvestite comedians as well as more dedicated cross-dressers.

Strangely, the regular visitor to the patient next to my wife's bed was a transvestite comedian, visiting his sister, who told me that he had worked with 'Lilly Savage' (I forget the gentleman comedians real-life name), and he referred to his 'lot' as trannies on a few occasions.

 

[oldbadger]

And I hear some gay couples want to have a proper marriage ceremony in churches, how sweet..
Half the clergy are gay anyway so it'd go like this-
VICAR- "Charles and Timmy, I now pronounce you man and wife"
CHARLES- "May I kiss my bride?"
VICAR- "Me first"..

....oh dear....
..... and to think that I stuck my neck out.....

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

If gays simply called it "civil union" like they used to, nobody would bat an eye, but by calling it "marriage" they're understandably taking a lot of flak from annoyed straights for hijacking the word marriage..

And I'm sure that King Solomon would be upset that right-wing Christianity has hijacked the word "marriage" and changed it to mean between one man and one woman, rather than between one man, 700 wives, and 300 concubines.

 

[Thruve]

Yay! Peeps fighting for something not needed! Woot!
Lets put those gays in a box. HELL YEA.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Yay! Peeps fighting for something not needed! Woot!
Lets put those gays in a box. HELL YEA.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Yay! Peeps fighting for something not needed! Woot!
Lets put those gays in a box. HELL YEA.

Who's putting gays in a box?
Think of it this way, they should be free to reject traditional marriage. Does that make more sense for you?