Same Sex Marrige By a Church.

[Autodidact]

And where does CHRIST give any indication that sexual activity is something to be pursued and placed ahead of GOD.

He doesn't, so what? What on earth relevance does that question have to do with this conversation, which is not about the value placed on the activity, but the gender of the participants? You do know what "homosexuality" means, right?

 

[fantome profane]

You can love someone without condoning their actions.

I think you might find that most homosexuals, homosexual couples, and churches that believe something other than what you believe, don’t give a fig whether or not you “love” them. What they are demanding is respect and tolerance.

If you can find it in you heart to love, great. But whether you can love or not, you cannot be allowed to stand in the way of others who choose to express their love in this way.

 

[Autodidact]

Well, not directly, but you do seem to indicate that some churches care mainly for what CHRIST said. I see no indication form CHRIST that sexual fulfillment of any sort is a matter to be placed above GOD, and yet this seems to be what some churches dwell on ------- (sexual fulfillment, that is).

then start a thread; it has nothing to do with this one.

 

[Archer]

However, early on in the thread, I showed a passage that called those who prohibit people from marrying "hypocritical liars" who follow "deceiving demons" and whose "consciences have been seared as with a hot iron".

A man and woman as I have already shown that homosexuality is not Biblical therefore the people are not same sex. If you can show me otherwise I will never post again as I said. Hint: it ain't there

 

[Autodidact]

I agree in most ways. So are are saying a Christian Church, honoring only the love taught by Jesus, should Condone a Homosexual union?

There is no Biblical foundation from scripture for Homosexual relations. To take one view (love only) with out the other being considered (stance against homosexuality) is to edit the Bible and therfore no linger be a Christian Church. It would be more or a Church based on some of the Christian principals would it not?

All scripture must be interpreted in the light of the whole and with an eye to the main message. For example, you probably don't make burnt offerings, although the Bible has pages upon pages directing you to, telling you how, when, and so forth. You have an interpretation under which you disregard that part. So the issue is what was Christ's central message? What is the point?

Furthermore, as I and others are trying to explain, it is highly questionable whether a loving union between two people of the same sex is anywhere condemned. For example, you're interpreting "homosexual offenders" to mean the same thing as "gay people." That's an odd interpretation of that phrase. (even though you claim not to be interpreting at all.) Would you assume that "sexual offenders" means the same thing as "people who have sex?" Or that "heterosexual offenders" means the same thing as "heterosexuals?"

 

[Autodidact]

I have edited nothing, you have shown me nothing. Please show me what I have edited. One thing at a time as I am sure you will claim nothing I posted was from the Bible.

For example, you equate "homosexual offenders" with "gay people." For another, you apply the purity codes in Leviticus only in this one case, but not in any other. Third, you equate "unnatural sex" with "gay sex." There is no reason to do that. It could as well mean, "sex which is not natural for you." If so, then heterosexuality is prohibited to a gay person. Finally, you deny you're doing any interpreting at all, because you're so deaf to the fact that there is more than one way to understand the Bible.

 

[Autodidact]

I have edited nothing, you have shown me nothing. Please show me what I have edited. One thing at a time as I am sure you will claim nothing I posted was from the Bible.

Can anyone show me doctrine (not interpretations and scholarly opinion) that allow a Christian church (bases off of the Bible) to marry a same sex couple?

This is not about opinion it is about scripture only.

So the answer I see to this constantly is it does not matter or they can interpret as they chose to, or it is none of your business what others do.

So after days and nothing Biblical to allow for it I must assume that it cant be answered.

Let the Churches do as they please, the way I see it in the end we are all sinners and will all stand for our deeds. If I am wrong, I will be held accountable. I am not though, what are the ramifications of that?

Will God condemn me for loving, or you for hating?

 

[McBell]

A man and woman as I have already shown that homosexuality is not Biblical therefore the people are not same sex. If you can show me otherwise I will never post again as I said. Hint: it ain't there

wow.
You make the same promise again that you have no intention of honouring.

 

[Archer]

then start a thread; it has nothing to do with this one.

I agree, this thread is about telling the world that Gay marriage is Biblical?

Go figure that is what it seems to have turned into.

Actually it feels more like someone is trying to give me a beating. I mean really we have atheists and agnostics defending something they don't even claim believe.

Note to self: Who does it serve to continue this thread God or my pride? If both? HMMM??? Might need to stop posting at this forum for the sake of my immortal soul. The Bible warns of these things so it may be in my best interest to let this one go at least.

 

[McBell]

I answered with Biblical quotes, Bible dictionary quote's and the words origin with the ISBN#'s to boot. Yet you say what I have posted is not Biblical.

You blatant dishonesty is rather disgusting.

 

[McBell]

Note to self: Who does it serve to continue this thread God or my pride? If both? HMMM??? Might need to stop posting at this forum for the sake of my immortal soul. The Bible warns of these things so it may be in my best interest to let this one go at least.

You have been serving your own ego from get go.

Nice try though.

 

[challupa]

I agree, this thread is about telling the world that Gay marriage is Biblical?

Go figure that is what it seems to have turned into.

Actually it feels more like someone is trying to give me a beating. I mean really we have atheists and agnostics defending something they don't even claim believe.

Note to self: Who does it serve to continue this thread God or my pride? If both? HMMM??? Might need to stop posting at this forum for the sake of my immortal soul. The Bible warns of these things so it may be in my best interest to let this one go at least.

Well to be honest I see no reason for even starting this thread. You have stated over and over that there is no scripture that supports it so if you already know the answer why are you asking?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A man and woman as I have already shown that homosexuality is not Biblical therefore the people are not same sex.

You're interpreting. That's nowhere in the text.

If you can show me otherwise I will never post again as I said. Hint: it ain't there

It's right after the verse that reads "same-sex marriages are prohibited by God", which is just down the page from the verse that reads "all doctrines must come from the Bible".

 

[Freelancer7]

To be honest I do not think the Lord Almighty is that bothered about two people or a group who might just want to play with each other as they themselves all agree what they are up to. Perhaps it is a case of a little lust more than Love, but perhaps there is a possibilty of 'love lust?!' I think their are far greater concerns in the world to be honest

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

To be honest I do not think the Lord Almighty is that bothered about two people or a group who might just want to play with each other as they themselves all agree what they are up to.

That strikes me as a bit more likely, but apparently for the purposes of this discussion, we've already assumed the existence of a god who cares deeply about things like the hoof shape and digestive characteristics of the animals that people eat. I don't think that worrying about who sleeps with who is out of character for that sort of micro-manager.

Perhaps it is a case of a little lust more than Love, but perhaps there is a possibilty of 'love lust?!'

Could be (but no more for gay folks than straight folks)... though I think that in the Epistles, Paul says that what you describe as "love lust" is a valid reason to get married.

I think their are far greater concerns in the world to be honest

Sure. Doesn't make this not worth talking about, though.

 

[Archer]

You have been serving your own ego from get go.

That is probably the first time you may be close to right, it did not start off that way though.

I wont even quote all of the posts that were made to call me a liar, probably half of them. I love the way that I can present information and it is called false, even giving the ISBN# for reference.

All the information that I was given was ambiguous. One could do what they wanted with it without the surrounding texts. There is no legitimate Biblical counter argument for the homosexuality and therefore same sex marriage. I pretty much knew that when I started this thread but really did want to know if I missed something. It then (after some cheesy responses) became personal as I was being called a liar and blind. Perhaps Satan has been in command IDK. What I do know is it ain't Biblical.

 

[Freelancer7]

Could be (but no more for gay folks than straight folks)... though I think that in the Epistles, Paul says that what you describe as "love lust" is a valid reason to get married.


Sure. Doesn't make this not worth talking about, though.

well said, but that is not what it is all about, to keep the likes of us talking while the perversions go on?? is it not??

 

[Autodidact]

You can love someone without condoning their actions.

You're misunderstanding. Same-sex love is love. Love is a good thing. Love is what Jesus wants us to learn and do. If you want to follow Jesus, you should not just accept but promote love, including same-sex love.

 

[Autodidact]

You can love someone without condoning their actions.

I think you might find that most homosexuals, homosexual couples, and churches that believe something other than what you believe, don’t give a fig whether or not you “love” them. What they are demanding is respect and tolerance.

If you can find it in you heart to love, great. But whether you can love or not, you cannot be allowed to stand in the way of others who choose to express their love in this way.

However, Jesus does, if we believe the Bible. Failing to love is the most non-biblical thing you can do. That is, if you pay any attention to Jesus.

 

[Freelancer7]

You're misunderstanding. Same-sex love is love. Love is a good thing. Love is what Jesus wants us to learn and do. If you want to follow Jesus, you should not just accept but promote love, including same-sex love.

haha.... shoving a sexual organ into a ***** pipe is not quit love, but is a lustful means to take and give, i am not saying a gay person is wrong, for their are many women that get pleasure from anal sex, but it is a body waste point and can contain poisons so please wear protection whatever your sex