Same Sex Marrige By a Church.

[McBell]

Sin is sin. The payment for sin is only applied to those which accept it. What I meant was that CHRIST redefined sin to include thought, word and deed. What CHRIST did away with were those things whose purpose were illustrative of the coming MESSIAH and what HIS purpose was.

Yes, God changed his mind so sent Jesus to let everyone know.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That doesn't answer my question. Do you or do you not need to do good works?

One explanation I've heard is that believers are saved by faith, and that this saving faith will express itself in the form of good works. The good works themselves don't save you, but if you don't have them, then this is an indication that you don't have saving faith.

Seems consistent enough to me.

 

[LittleNipper]

Really?
Then why the whining and complaining about same sex marriage?
I mean, according to YOU their "sin" is covered by the blood of Christ.

One's sin is only covered IF one is repentant of committing such and accept CHRIST's payment of such. If one doesn't consider what one is doing as sinful, and wants in fact to redefine GOD's ordinances, that shows no remorse. In fact it denegrates what CHRIST has done.

 

[LittleNipper]

One explanation I've heard is that believers are saved by faith, and that this saving faith will express itself in the form of good works. The good works themselves don't save you, but if you don't have them, then this is an indication that you don't have saving faith.

Seems consistent enough to me.

So just what exactly are your "good works?'

 

[Archer]

One explanation I've heard is that believers are saved by faith, and that this saving faith will express itself in the form of good works. The good works themselves don't save you, but if you don't have them, then this is an indication that you don't have saving faith.

Seems consistent enough to me.

Very good

 

[McBell]

So just what exactly are your "good works?'

Gee, not sinning comes to mind.
Or perhaps you will next claim that once you are saved you cannot sin?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So just what exactly are your "good works?'

I do what I can. I try to be nice to people. Lately, I've been volunteering at an elementary school... but to be honest, it's not entirely altruistic: the kids are a ton of fun.

How is this relevant?

 

[challupa]

One explanation I've heard is that believers are saved by faith, and that this saving faith will express itself in the form of good works. The good works themselves don't save you, but if you don't have them, then this is an indication that you don't have saving faith.

Seems consistent enough to me.

Yes I have heard that too. Seems rather circular to me. However, I still believe you can do good works without being saved. Athiests do it all the time.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes I have heard that too. Seems rather circular to me. However, I still believe you can do good works without being saved. Athiests do it all the time.

Well, yes. That's part of the argument: you can do good works, but if you don't have faith, then you won't be saved.

 

[Autodidact]

This is untrue. The fact is the sins are covered by the blood of CHRIST.

That's what you call a fact? You have an odd definition of fact. Uh, O.K., what evidence do you have that "sins are covered by the blood of CHRIST," whatever that means, is a fact?

 

[Archer]

Revelations is interesting, about the judgment and all! I will do a little study and get back.
Revelation 20:
12 And I saw the adead, small and great, bstand before God; and the cbooks were opened: and another book was opened, which is the dbook of life: and the dead were ejudged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their fworks.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and adeath and bhell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And adeath and bhell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the csecond death.

 

[challupa]

Well, yes. That's part of the argument: you can do good works, but if you don't have faith, then you won't be saved.

Yikes, it's a good thing I don't believe in all this stuff. There are far too many arbitrary rules that make no sense to me.

 

[LittleNipper]

Yes, God changed his mind so sent Jesus to let everyone know.

No, GOD the FATHER sent HIS SON part of the Triune GOD to assume the role of a Second Adam. HIS duty being to die as payment for the price of sin, so that whosoever will trust on HIM would be saved. And then HE rose from the dead as proof that the glorification of all the saved will be completed.

 

[LittleNipper]

Gee, not sinning comes to mind.
Or perhaps you will next claim that once you are saved you cannot sin?

Spreading the GOSPEL message is a good work. Helping the sick, feeding the hungry, educating those looking for understanding are others.

I believe that until the day I die and I'm glorified, I will continue to sin; however, my sins are now covered by the blood of CHRIST.

 

[Autodidact]

No, GOD the FATHER sent HIS SON part of the Triune GOD to assume the role of a Second Adam. HIS duty being to die as payment for the price of sin, so that whosoever will trust on HIM would be saved. And then HE rose from the dead as proof that the glorification of all the saved will be completed.

And so goes the crazy logic of Christianity.

 

[LittleNipper]

I do what I can. I try to be nice to people. Lately, I've been volunteering at an elementary school... but to be honest, it's not entirely altruistic: the kids are a ton of fun.

How is this relevant?

Simply, one's works do nothing to get one into GOD's kingdom. However, with GOD, one may bring other's into the fold.

 

[McBell]

No, GOD the FATHER sent HIS SON part of the Triune GOD to assume the role of a Second Adam. HIS duty being to die as payment for the price of sin, so that whosoever will trust on HIM would be saved. And then HE rose from the dead as proof that the glorification of all the saved will be completed.

Your avoidance is duly noted.

If god is all knowing and still set up the 613 rule system, then he flat out set man up to fail.
Just as he did with the Garden of Eden incident.

Otherwise, his sending Jesus strongly indicates that he changed his mind.

Now which is it?

 

[McBell]

I believe that until the day I die and I'm glorified, I will continue to sin; however, my sins are now covered by the blood of CHRIST.

And just like I tell everyone who spouts the un-Biblical "once saved, always saved" safety net belief:

I want absolutely nothing to do with any deity that rewords bad behavior.
​

 

[McBell]

Simply, one's works do nothing to get one into GOD's kingdom. However, with GOD, one may bring other's into the fold.

However, ones works are what will be judged in order to REMAIN in God's good grace.

To deny this is to ignore the parts of the Bible that flat out state you can lose your salvation:

KJV:
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
​

 

[angellous_evangellous]

And just like I tell everyone who spouts the un-Biblical "once saved, always saved" safety net belief:

I want absolutely nothing to do with any deity that rewords bad behavior.
​

Surely you mean "rewards."