Satan's Claws (Santa Claus): Satanic Deception

[FFH]

Once kids learn that it's a rite of passage to drop belief in Santa, by the time they're ready for college they equate God with Santa and drop belief in God.

Wow, so true.

You seem to have a special insight into things which are pertinent to our generation.

 

[FFH]

Actually I heard in one culture somewhere they belive that the baby Jesus delivers gifts to all the children. But since He's still a baby an angel does it for him. I can't remember what nation has this tradition.

Someone already posted a link to this earlier in this thread. You are exactly right though. I'll go back later and repost this fable/myth concerning this.

Kris Kindle (christ child) (which is an anti-christ type fictional character, one which denies Jesus as the Christ)
Kris Kringle
Father Christmas
Saint Nicholas
Santa Claus

Every nation or religion may view it a bit differently, but the basic concept is there.

Of course we also need to keep in mind that the American Santa Claus isn't the only one. There and many different version with many different traditions. Maybe some of those would be more child friendly for FFH.

Nah, it's all the same, they all seem to bump Christ out of the picture, which is never a good thing.

 

[DeepShadow]

Do I have to quote this scripture again ???

D&C 58: 26
For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.


Figure it out yourself, that's why the Lord gave us minds of our own, so we can search these things out in scripture and see if it does or does not violate Christ's teachings.

Of course, but I've already done so. That's when you said I was listening to a false spirit--which you have no calling to say. You are not a judge in Israel, or at least not mine. You are not in my line of authority. You are not a prophet.

I have not questioned that the Holy Spirit might have told YOU not to teach YOUR kids about Santa. According to modern prophets, though, the Holy Spirit will never teach you that I should not teach MY kids about Santa.

And don't tell me that it's all about the lying part, because we've already been around that: the Lord can tell me to lie when the situation calls for it, just as He told Nephi to kill when the situation called for it.

I'm entitled to my revelation about my family, including teaching them about Santa. It's possible that Santa may not be the right choice for YOUR family, while still being the right choice for MY family.

 

[FFH]

Of course, but I've already done so. That's when you said I was listening to a false spirit--which you have no calling to say. You are not a judge in Israel, or at least not mine. You are not in my line of authority. You are not a prophet.

I have not questioned that the Holy Spirit might have told YOU not to teach YOUR kids about Santa. According to modern prophets, though, the Holy Spirit will never teach you that I should not teach MY kids about Santa.

And don't tell me that it's all about the lying part, because we've already been around that: the Lord can tell me to lie when the situation calls for it, just as He told Nephi to kill when the situation called for it.

I'm entitled to my revelation about my family, including teaching them about Santa. It's possible that Santa may not be the right choice for YOUR family, while still being the right choice for MY family.

I've presented an option you may have not considered before, just think about it.

Is it a good thing for your kids to one day be at school and have another kid tell your kid that Santa does not exist ???

Does that not reflect badly upon you as a parent ???

Your kid will see you as a liar and lose respect for you at a very tender young age.

Do you really want to deal with a rebelious teenager ???. I work with them every day. It seems I'm stuck cleaning up the mess their parents have left behind.

They tell me how their parents beat them, most of them, or at least verbally abuse them to no end. I've had raving mad parents come into where I work and one dude I really wanted to let him have it, he treated his kid so badly. Remember I hear everything, their not afraid to spill they're guts to me.

What parents do behind closed doors is shocking.

Give kids a good fighting chance at a good life, don't lie to them, for any reason, and teach them the truth's of the gospel.

 

[DeepShadow]

I've presented an option you may have not considered before, just think about it.

Is that all this is, an option we are free to consider? You used stronger words before. You said that I was listening to a false spirit. Period. You based this upon your own revelation and the faulty logic that God tells everyone the same thing. Well guess what, He doesn't! He tells Nephi to kill, and the people of Ammon not to--even in self defense! He tells Parley P. Pratt to be baptised the moment he finishes the Book of Mormon, and tells Brigham Young to wait for two whole years! He tells Moses not to allow non-Israelites to join, and tells Peter otherwise.

And right now, it appears He is telling me to teach my kids about Santa, and you not to. Since we are (*gasp*) different people, I trust Him to give each of us what we need. Stop trying to give me medicine that has been prescribed to you. I have my own Doctor.

So if that's all this is--an option--then I'll expect you to allow me the choice, and not tell me my choice is wrong for me, because you don't know. All things considered, you should have used this qualified tone at the beginning.

Is it a good thing for your kids to one day be at school and have another kid tell your kid that Santa does not exist ???

Does that not reflect badly upon you as a parent ???

Your kid will see you as a liar and lose respect for you at a very tender young age.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids. :sarcastic

Give kids a good fighting chance at a good life, don't lie to them, for any reason and teach them the truth's of the gospel.

I've told you, I don't subscribe to this either-or fallacy that says that all false statements are lies. I throw surprise parties for people from time to time, after all.

 

[FFH]

Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids. :sarcastic

I don't need to have kids to know what kids are thinking. I've worked with plenty of kids of all ages throughout my whole life.

Remeber we were kids once too, all we have to do is think back at what we were thinking when the kid at school said to us, "You mean you still think Santa is real?".

I was in third grade. What an idiot I must have looked like to my peers. I was dopey spiritually, socially and mentally. My parents raised me up to be some sort of idiot who now knows better than to believe everything I see, hear and read. Lies are fed to us daily by the world. The Holy Ghost helps us to discern between the truth and the lies fed to us on a daily basis, in real life situations.

Don't assume your kids are thinking one thing, when they are thinking another.

Remember I work with teenagers and have been for the last 19 years, in the restaurant and take out food business, they (teenagers) don't share with their parents what they share with me, because they're not particularly interested in being judged or criticized by their parents for thinking or feeling a certain way. I've worked with all types of kids. I've seen some change for the better, others for the worst. I've heard and seen just about everything there is to hear and observe from teenagers and young adults first hand.

My wife and I ran a day care out of our home and have worked together in the Nursery, taught Primary, Young Men's and Elder's Quorum for years. I've heard all the various comments and thoughts of these various age groups, from toddlers to teenagers to young adults and adults. I've heard real questions and concerns from real kids, teenagers and adults.

I don't need to have kids to know what kids are thinking. They are more honest with those outside their immediate family because they aren't afraid of being judged as harshly, if at all.

Don't assume you know your kids. They won't tell their parents everything, but they'll tell their best friends everything or another trusted adult. One 14 year old girl I work with, the owner's daughter broke down and told us of some physical and verbal abuse she had experienced by her step father (not the owner who is her real father who has no clue of what she has to put up with). She said she had only told her best friend about it, then broke down and told us.

Parents have too much of a threatening tone for kids to open up to them. Don't assume you know your kids or that I don't know kids. I know kids well, especially teenagers, and like I've said before, I've worked with toddlers on up to the teenage years. I know kids, teenagers and adults as well as can be expected.

I know how fun young children can be and how challenging teenagers are and how skeptical adults are.

 

[Bishka]

I don't have to have kids to know what kids are thinking. I've worked with plenty of kids of all ages throughout my whole life.

Remeber we were kids once too, all I have to do is think back at what I was thinking when some kid at school said to me, "You mean you still think Santa is real?". I was in third grade. What an idiot I must have looked like to my peers. I was dopey spiritually, socially and mentally. My parents raised me up to be some sort of idiot who now knows better than to believe everything I see, hear and read. Lies are fed to us daily by the world. The Holy Ghost helps us to discern between the truth and the lies fed to us on a daily basis, in real life situations.

Don't assume your kids are thinking one thing, when they are thinking another.

Remember I work with teenagers and have been for the last 19 years, they don't share with their parents what they share with me, because they are not interested in being judged or criticized by their parents for thinking or feeling a certain way. I work with all types of kids. I've heard just about everything there is to hear from kids, both young and old.

Taught Primary, Young Men's and Elder's Quorum for years. I've heard all the comments and thoughts of these various age groups. I've heard real concerns from real kids, teenagers and adults.

I don't need to have kids to know what kids are thinking. They are more honest with those outside their immediate family because they aren't afraid of being judged as harshly, if at all.

This doesn't mean you understand children.

It's one thing to work with them, and a completley different to have you own flesh and blood. And it doesn't look like you've answered my question either, are you going to beat around the bush some more or directly answer it.

 

[Bishka]

Don't assume you know your kids when you don't.

A lecture on parenting from someone that has no children?

Are you really that blinded by your own opinions?

Give me a break, stick to subject you actually know about.

Children are not one of them for you.

 

[Quath]

How do we determine which ones to follow? That's why we have modern prophets. So we can know what God's will is for us today.

This one seems to be tough because several moderns prophets disagree with each other. So either modern prophets are lie to by God or people think they are prophets and they are not. In the end, you are trusting a guess as to who the real prophets are.

I don't think eating lobster is a sin unless you are eating an unhealthy amount of it.

This sounds like secular reasoning.

I don't think homosexuality is worse than breaking the sabbath. I think both are serious sins.

Is this because a prophet believes this or because you think it is so?

 

[Sola'lor]

This one seems to be tough because several moderns prophets disagree with each other. So either modern prophets are lie to by God or people think they are prophets and they are not. In the end, you are trusting a guess as to who the real prophets are.

Non of the Prophets I believe in disagree with each other. BUt if you are refering to anybody nowdays that says God speaks to them then I would suggest praying about it and using your best judgement.

Is this because a prophet believes this or because you think it is so?

EDIT: I'll just say it's my own opinion and stick with that.

 

[DeepShadow]

This one seems to be tough because several moderns prophets disagree with each other. So either modern prophets are lie to by God or people think they are prophets and they are not. In the end, you are trusting a guess as to who the real prophets are.

No, we are trusting the Spirit of God to lead us to true Prophets. That's not a guess. In this sense, we are all prophets (note capitalization) who are led by God to unite ourselves together.

This sounds like secular reasoning.

Possibly because secular reasoning is often true. We don't have to disagree on everything, you know.

Is this because a prophet believes this or because you think it is so?

I'll let Sola'lor answer that one himself.