Satan's Claws (Santa Claus): Satanic Deception

[Katzpur]

You are the most fervor fundamentalist Mormon I have ever met (cyber-wise). My sister and brother-in-law are Mormons, but they don't act like this. None of their Mormon friends have exhibit this.

I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought this up, I've just got to speak up and say that none of this nonsense has anything whatsoever to do with Mormonism. Not one word. Mormon parents all over the U.S. try to get their kids to go to bed early on Christmas Eve so that Santa can come. Just chalk this whole thing up to a personal thing FFH has with Santa Claus and don't wonder for a minute if this is what Mormons believe, because it isn't.

 

[Azakel]

I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought this up, I've just got to speak up and say that none of this nonsense has anything whatsoever to do with Mormonism. Not one word. Mormon parents all over the U.S. try to get their kids to go to bed early on Christmas Eve so that Santa can come. Just chalk this whole thing up to a personal thing FFH has with Santa Claus and don't wonder for a minute if this is what Mormons believe, because it isn't.

I think it's safe to say that most of us that have been here long enough understand that this is normal for FFH and that are other Mormon friend don't really share some(or most) of his funny thoughts.

 

[kiwimac]

You are, of course, aware that Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas?

 

[Katzpur]

I think it's safe to say that most of us that have been here long enough understand that this is normal for FFH and that are other Mormon friend don't really share some(or most) of his funny thoughts.

Whew! Thanks!

 

[gnostic]

Just chalk this whole thing up to a personal thing FFH has with Santa Claus and don't wonder for a minute if this is what Mormons believe, because it isn't.

Well, from what Mormons I have met, it would seem that FFH is the odd one out. He is fiercely loyal to Joseph Smith and all, but his philosophy do seem out of place from other teachings. This latest foray seemed so un-Mormon-like.

 

[Azakel]

You are, of course, aware that Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas?

I do I do. That's because I like to know the history and myths behind things. I'm not a Christian at all but to me he is one that I find it cool to look up to. Being born to a rice Christian family and using that to give money to the people in need without wanting thanks back.

 

[Katzpur]

I do I do. That's because I like to know the history and myths behind things. I'm not a Christian at all but to me he is one that I find it cool to look up to. Being born to a rice Christian family and using that to give money to the people in need without wanting thanks back.

Wow! That sounds awfully...

LIE - EVIL - FALSEHOOD - WICKEDNESS
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Poor ol' Santa. He's really taken a thrashing for such a nice guy. Giving to people in need without expecting anything in return sounds almost... uh... Christian.

 

[FFH]

Sometimes I think FFH is just playing with our heads. At least I hope he is.

Yeah, I like to stir things up a bit, this forum would be too boring otherwise.

I'd hate to think he was this seriously disturbed.

No, just your average guy. This becomes a good distraction from the daily grind.

It's one thing to have strong feelings, but fanaticism isn't cool at all, no matter where it's directed.

Just the Santa thing is hilarious to poke at.

People are so holiday oriented they become consumed and make the holidays larger than life. Expectations are way too high.

Stop and enjoy the music and the reason for the season.

 

[FFH]

Poor ol' Santa. He's really taken a thrashing for such a nice guy. Giving to people in need without expecting anything in return sounds almost... uh... Christian.

Yeah, well he needs to lose some weight.

Poor kids think Santa is their judge and giver of good gifts, not Christ, that's the whole problem I have with this icon, he's an antichrist type figure because he was purposely created to distract kids' attention away from Christ during this season, not to mention adults who put so much effort into it for their kids.

 

[FFH]

I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought this up, I've just got to speak up and say that none of this nonsense has anything whatsoever to do with Mormonism. Not one word. Mormon parents all over the U.S. try to get their kids to go to bed early on Christmas Eve so that Santa can come. Just chalk this whole thing up to a personal thing FFH has with Santa Claus and don't wonder for a minute if this is what Mormons believe, because it isn't.

Yeah, I grew up with the whole Santa nonsense but there are others like me and other LDS families who have chosen not to have this tradition in their homes. The first one I met was my LDS missionary companion. He got me thinking about it over 20 years ago.

 

[FFH]

You are, of course, aware that Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas?

Hmmm, you being Catholic I would expect this response.

Wonder of Santa. An illustration. - Light of Babylon.

Christmas

From Exodus 2006

 

[FFH]

This guy is LDS who runs this site, not sure if he's active though.

Christmas Paganism and Peace in Bible Codes

Basically he's saying there are two sides to Christmas, the God side, of course, and the Pagan side.

Good and bad aspects of Christmas celebrations.

 

[Azakel]

Yeah, well he needs to lose some weight.

Poor kids think Santa is their judge and giver of good gifts, not Christ, that's the whole problem I have with this icon, he's an antichrist type figure because he was purposely created to distract kids attention away from Christ during this season, not to mention adults who put so much effort into this thing for their kids.

No, Santa as a figure for the season before Christ was used for this time of Season. Also one of the other names for Santa is Kris Kringle:

• an American (mis-)pronunciation of Christkindl or Christkindel, the German Christmas gift-bringer
• another name for Santa Claus, by assimilation in America of the separate Dutch tradition

Christkind


Christkind.


The Christkind ("Christ Child"), pronounced /kristkint/, is the traditional Christmas giftbringer in regions of Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein, South Tyrol, Switzerland, parts of Hispanic America, in certain areas of southern Brazil. Promulgated by Martin Luther, explicitly to discourage the figure of St. Nicholas, it was adopted in Catholic areas during the 19th century, while it began to be gradually replaced by the Weihnachtsmann ("Father Christmas", a secularized version of Saint Nicholas) in Protestant regions.
The Christkind is a sprite-like child, usually depicted with blond hair and angelic wings. Martin Luther intended it to be a reference to the incarnation of Jesus as an infant. It is presumed by some to be so, but seems to be rooted in the Alsatian-born myth of a child bringing gifts to the baby Jesus.[citation needed] Children never see the Christkind, as parents will always tell them that the Christkind just disappeared before they came.
Since the 1990s, the Christkind is facing increasing competition from the Weihnachtsmann in the American version of Santa Claus, caused by the ad industry which used Santa Claus as an advertising figure.
Christkindl or Christkindel are diminuitive versions of Christkind.



Seems to me that just because the way a Characters images changes doesn't mean his concept changes. Humans have mess it up, but the true meaning a St. Nick is still there, you just have to look past all this so called "evil" you all was seem to see me friend. Plus to me it seem that by call Santa evil you are call he's true concept(all the good Christians parts), evil.........EVIL

 

[Azakel]

And again with the Bible code which is just some psychos way to find hate in everything in this would that he doesn't agree with.

 

[DeepShadow]

Ether 4:12
And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me....

Moroni 7:16
...for every thing which inviteth to do good...is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.

I feel the Spirit testify that Santa Claus can be--and usually is--part of God's goodness. I feel the same Spirit condemn your attempts to make the forums less "boring" by stirring up contention about things that needn't be contentious. We should be encouraging people to embrace the goodness in Santa, rather than condemning the rare possibility of it becoming a tool of evil.

 

[DeepShadow]

And again with the Bible code which is just some psychos way to find hate in everything in this would that he doesn't agree with.

The Bible Code is usually a crutch for people who can't find support for their beliefs in the actual doctrine.

3 Nephi 11:40
40 And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a sandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.

 

[Azakel]

The Bible Code is usually a crutch for people who can't find support for their beliefs in the actual doctrine.

Yeah, I can see that.

 

[Smoke]

Yeah, I like to stir things up a bit

Ha! I've always suspected that, but now I know for sure!

 

[Katzpur]

Yeah, I grew up with the whole Santa nonsense but there are others like me and other LDS families who have chosen not to have this tradition in their homes. The first one I met was my LDS missionary companion. He got me thinking about it over 20 years ago.

Well, if I had it to do over again, I probably would not encourage my children to believe in Santa. I has absolutely nothing to do with the idea that I believe he's evil or Satanic, though. Christmas would have just been a lot easier if I could have said, "No, you're not getting such and such toy because (a) the stores are sold out, (b) it costs too much, (c) we don't think it's a good toy for you to have." When kids believe in Santa, you can't give them any of those answers. I agree that the whole Santa thing has gotten out of hand, but that's definitely not the same thing as evil, wicked, perverted, Satanic, etc. etc. etc.

 

[DeepShadow]

When kids believe in Santa, you can't give them any of those answers.

OTOH, when kids believe in Santa, you can tell them that the toy they want isn't elf-approved, or that Santa chooses their presents himself by viewing their dreams in a bowl of melted snow, or that the nuclear nanobots he uses to construct toys in your house only have programs up to last Christmas, or that Santa only does stockings.

It's a myth--have fun with it! :yes: