Saudi school lessons in UK concern government

[Sahar]

Freedom of speech only when it doesn't incite violence and encourage others to break the law. Why is that so hard to understand?



That would almost be as barbaric. But homosexuality is not a crime. It would be more appropriate to compare it to say making Islam illegal and executing all followers of Islam. Except Islam is a choice, homosexuality is not.

So if someone argued that the legal penalty for rape crime should be execution, he must be jailed, right?

 

[Darkness]

Who care!! Is this enough to rob my freedom of speech? I have the right to voice my views; what constitute a crime and thus punishable and what that don't. Just like I do it in here. Freedom of speech, man!! Why is it so hard to understand?

They were stating the Islamic view. Secondly, what if I advocated the execution penalty for rape crimes, should I be jailed?

This is why fundamentalist religion is a backwards belief system that should be relegated to the past and left there. That you would even compare the death penalty for consensual homosexual sex, shows me and everyone who is reading that you have no conception of reality. Rape is the violation of one's sexuality by another person. It is a forced act. How is consensual gay sex even in the same league?

I dare you to name one reason homosexuality is wrong, besides that sorry excuse that God says it is?

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[Sahar]

Freedom of speech only when it doesn't incite violence and encourage others to break the law.

Breaking what law? Any speech is about a legal penalty carried out in an Islamic Shari'a based country.

 

[Father Heathen]

So if someone argued that the legal penalty for rape crime should be execution, he must be jailed, right?

No. Rape victimizes innocent people, whereas homosexual relationships between consenting adults do not, so your comparison is completely nonsense. Use your brain, kiddo.

 

[Panda]

So if someone argued that the legal penalty for rape crime should be execution, he must be jailed, right?

No that is a straw man, rape is not the same as homosexuality.

But hate speech is illegal. In the UK this is:

Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden.[1][2][3] Any communication which is threatening, abusive or insulting, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden.[4] The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[5]

 

[Sahar]

No that is a straw man, rape is not the same as homosexuality.

Homosexual sex, adulterous sex, rape, theft, etc. are all crimes to me... So do you support putting me in jail for saying so?
What if I said from an Islamic Shari'a view drinking alcohol is a crime and thus punishable by the Islamic legal system, do you support jailing me for expressing this?

But hate speech is illegal. In the UK this is

Heh, tell me about it. A few days ago, I stated the same thing and quoted cases where people were jailed for the mere expression of their opinions in the UK. But my counterparts apparently didn't believe me.

 

[Panda]

Homosexual sex, adulterous sex, rape, theft, etc. are all crimes to me... So do you support putting me in jail for saying so?
What if I said from an Islamic Shari'a view drinking alcohol is a crime and thus punishable by the Islamic legal system, do you support jailing me for expressing this?

Heh, tell me about it. A few days ago, I stated the same thing and quoted cases where people were jailed for the mere expression of their opinions in the UK.

I think people who preach that homosexual should be killed should face the same penalties that people who say people of any race or religion should be killed and in my country it is like that.

As for the homosexuality being a crime, this alone is abhorrent and I am just glad my country is not so backwards to call it such.

 

[Darkness]

Homosexual sex, adulterous sex, rape, theft, etc. are all crimes to me... So do you support putting me in jail for saying so?
What if I said from an Islamic Shari'a view drinking alcohol is a crime and thus punishable by the Islamic legal system, do you support jailing me for expressing this?

Heh, tell me about it. A few days ago, I stated the same thing and quoted cases where people were jailed for the mere expression of their opinions in the UK.

So, being a bigoted Muslim fundamentalist is a crime to me. Does that mean I should have the right to execute you?

It is as simple as this. LGBT persons are constantly harassed and abused in UK society, as well as my own country. Even in Sweden, LGBT people have an unnaturally high suicide rate, because of harassment. Saying that LGBT people deserve to be executed has very real consequences. It legitimises some ****** **** taking a baseball bad and beating the **** out of some innocent gay person.

 

[Father Heathen]

Homosexual sex, adulterous sex, rape, theft, etc. are all crimes to me... So do you support putting me in jail for saying so?
What if I said from an Islamic Shari'a view drinking alcohol is a crime and thus punishable by the Islamic legal system, do you support jailing me for expressing this?

Your welcomed to your irrational opinions. The problem lies with open calling for the murder of innocent people. And the criteria for crimes should be based on the cause and effect; whether or not it victimizes and violates the rights of innocent people. Obviously rape, murder, theft, etc. would fall under this. But other "crimes" such as homosexuality and alcohol, regardless of how you feel about them, only impact the willing participants. And if you think such things are harmful then what sense does it make it hurt people for hurting themselves?

 

[Sahar]

I think people who preach that homosexual should be killed should face the same penalties that people who say people of any race or religion should be killed and in my country it is like that.

As for the homosexuality being a crime, this alone is abhorrent and I am just glad my country is not so backwards to call it such.

Note, we were talking about certain behaviors: Adultery, sodomite sex, theft...etc.
Again:

Homosexual sex, adulterous sex, rape, theft, etc. are all crimes to me... So do you support putting me in jail for saying so?

What if I said from an Islamic Shari'a view drinking alcohol is a crime and thus punishable by the Islamic legal system, do you support jailing me for expressing this?

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't even consider religious fundamentalists to be actual human beings, given that their blind, rigid adherence requires them to disavow reason, compassion and their own humanity and to become mindless automatons.

 

[Panda]

Note, we were talking about certain behaviors: Adultery, sodomite sex, theft...etc.
Again:

It is irrelevant if you see it as a crime or not. The law says it is not and that it is a crime to discriminate against it and for hate speech against it.

 

[Sahar]

It is irrelevant if you see it as a crime or not. The law says it is not and that it is a crime to discriminate against it and for hate speech against it.

So people should be jailed for voicing their belief that adultery, homosexual sex and alcohol drinking are crimes according to the Islamic view, right?

 

[Panda]

So people should be jailed for voicing their belief that adultery and homosexual sex, alcohol drinking are crimes according to the Islamic view, right?

For trying to get people to kill these people yes, or at least treated the same as those who say all people of x should die x being a race, ethnicity, minority, etc. Especially as alcohol and homosexuality are not a crime.

 

[Sahar]

Panda, do you support jailing the Muslim Rfers who said in many places before that adultery is an offence and is punished in Islamic Shari'a?

 

[Panda]

Adultery is not a hate crime. You can't comparing adultery to homosexuality, just like you can't compare it to rape or paedophilia.

 

[Father Heathen]

Panda, do you support jailing the Muslim Rfers who said in many places before that adultery is an offence and is punished in Islamic Shari'a?

Only if they attempted to openly incite retaliation against adulterers.

Now we're just going around in circles. Nothing is clicking behind those vacant eyes.

 

[Sahar]

Adultery is not a hate crime. You can't comparing adultery to homosexuality, just like you can't compare it to rape or paedophilia.

No one said homosexuality but homosexual sex. A practice just like a heterosexual sex. How come they are not the same?

 

[Sahar]

Only if they attempted to openly incite retaliation against adulterers.

Well, Muslims in here openly said adultery is a crime and it deserves a legal penalty. Should they be jailed for this?

 

[Panda]

No one said homosexuality but homosexual sex. A practice just like a heterosexual sex. How come they are not the same?

Yes it is exactly like heterosexual sex, except it is between people of the same sex. So what is your problem with it?