Scary Trump: Fails Basic Literacy Test; Way Of Speaking Is "Oddly Adolescent"

[Phantasman]

The RINOS and DINOS are really a separate political party pretending to be something else, I mean how dedicated to their parties are any of these people? They don't understand the only criteria we really have is that we expect them to do their work, most of the time they are just filling their pockets.

I agree, I couldn't understand the Dems not showing up for some votings or the SOTU. It's their job to do that. If they don't perform their job titles, the voters should put people in that do. Were they partying like many do in DC?

Makes you wonder. You can't show protest if you just don't show up. What if a group wanted to protest but no one showed up?

 

[metis]

I still think that the Democrats should take the DACA deal as well because it does give them most of what they want - the minute points of contention they have with it could be resolved with bills later.

There is nor was a DACA deal as Trump pulled it back.

 

[Phantasman]

There is nor was a DACA deal as Trump pulled it back.

I didn't like it either. The Dems wanted 800,000 DACA recipiances to have citizenship and Trump was going to give 1.8 million the same.

Should have stayed with the amount Obama asked for and be done with it.

 

[Mindmaster]

There is nor was a DACA deal as Trump pulled it back.

Trump undoubtedly will hold DACA hostage for the wall, but that's politics. I think it's a non-issue though, other Democrats have talked about border security in the past and echoed many of Trump's sentiments. It's just political posturing and nose-up prancing about... DACA was never even considered, btw, there were some Dems that wanted to trade on the shutdown and Trump just completely disregarded that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump undoubtedly will hold DACA hostage for the wall, but that's politics. I think it's a non-issue though, other Democrats have talked about border security in the past and echoed many of Trump's sentiments. It's just political posturing and nose-up prancing about... DACA was never even considered, btw, there were some Dems that wanted to trade on the shutdown and Trump just completely disregarded that.

I see DACA citizenship as inevitable. It would be political suicide to deport'm all.
And the wall was also proposed by Hillary (before it became something she
opposed for campaign purposes). So only partisan wrangling stands in the way.
Dems & Pubs are really bad at negotiating these days, eh.

 

[Mindmaster]

I see DACA citizenship as inevitable. It would be political suicide to deport'm all.
And the wall was also proposed by Hillary (before it became something she
opposed for campaign purposes). So only partisan wrangling stands in the way.
Dems & Pubs are really bad at negotiating these days, eh.

It's really a logistical nightmare anyway, deport them all isn't practical. What is practical is stem the flow, deal with the current population residing here, and put a bow on it. It also makes sense to address all of the loopholes as well - anchor babies, overstaying visas, chain migration, etc... Really, we need to just work on the 14th Amendment and change it to develop citizenship through parentage - as every other country in the world does. That amendment was created before trains, planes, and automobiles existed - it is unlikely the authors of that considered the implications.

 

[metis]

Trump undoubtedly will hold DACA hostage for the wall, but that's politics. I think it's a non-issue though, other Democrats have talked about border security in the past and echoed many of Trump's sentiments. It's just political posturing and nose-up prancing about... DACA was never even considered, btw, there were some Dems that wanted to trade on the shutdown and Trump just completely disregarded that.

Well, "just politics" is about as mean and nasty as it can get since we're talking about people whom are innocent and yet they may be deported.

I do not give Trump any slack on this since he's made it clear in the past that he doesn't want these "Mexicans" in here, plus all too many in his base simply don't want these brown-skinned people in here either.

Since it is this latter element that is now driving the Republican Party, I don't see much of a chance for DACA to get passed, especially since moderate Republicans are more afraid of getting "primaried" from the right of their own party than running in the general election against a Democrat, largely because so many of the districts nowadays are so heavily gerrymandered. Already, 40 current Republicans in Congress have announced they're not running this year, and the highest percentage of them are moderates.

 

[Mindmaster]

Well, "just politics" is about as mean and nasty as it can get since we're talking about people whom are innocent and yet they may be deported.

I do not give Trump any slack on this since he's made it clear in the past that he doesn't want these "Mexicans" in here, plus all too many in his base simply don't want these brown-skinned people in here either.

I don't really want Mexicans here either, personally. I don't know what the craze is with having to bring people from backwater countries is to feel good about yourself, but count me out. It has nothing to do with their skin color, either, that's just a disingenuous comparison. Mexico sucks because comparatively its people cause the problems. Likewise, our problems are ours, and I'd think people in other countries who do not want "our problems" wouldn't find it favorable for us to immigrate to their country either. If you bring people from the violent parts of Africa, the Middle East, or wherever else to here you will get the same result - they will bring all of the things that turned their countries to **** to your country, and turn it to ****. Obviously, this much is just common sense... They're not going to change their cultural norms, beliefs, or lifestyle simply because they moved.

I don't, however, feel it's the DACA people's fault that they're here nor that there is a problem having them - they've been Americanized by exposure to our lifestyle. Let their kids stay and deport their parents for breaking the law after the child reaches maturity. But, don't expect me to shed a tear over it either - they knew they were breaking the law, they also knew this was a possibility from the get go and risked their family in the process.

 

[Phantasman]

Trump undoubtedly will hold DACA hostage for the wall, but that's politics. I think it's a non-issue though, other Democrats have talked about border security in the past and echoed many of Trump's sentiments. It's just political posturing and nose-up prancing about... DACA was never even considered, btw, there were some Dems that wanted to trade on the shutdown and Trump just completely disregarded that.

I understand the point Trump is making. It would be much more costly to go "back" and try to fix the problem of illegals. He's willing to grant a road to amnesty if we move to fix the problem that caused it.

I compare it to a large building that roof leaks when it rains. You can spend money on more and more pans and buckets to catch the rain water, or simply fix the roof.

The Dems want more buckets. Trump wants the roof.

 

[Mindmaster]

I understand the point Trump is making. It would be much more costly to go "back" and try to fix the problem of illegals. He's willing to grant a road to amnesty if we move to fix the problem that caused it.

I compare it to a large building that roof leaks when it rains. You can spend money on more and more pans and buckets to catch the rain water, or simply fix the roof.

The Dems want more buckets. Trump wants the roof.

That's been exactly my opinion all of the long, and we could argue that DACA people are culturally Americanized in the first place. They're not going to be responsible for bringing the problems of Mexico to the USA, either. I also feel that it's unfair to blame them for the faults of their parents, but I am still with deporting their parents for circumventing the rules. People will, of course, think that is a cruel idea but I think it's far more cruel to punish people who didn't cheat our system by giving them a free pass. The DACA folks did no wrong, their parents and other relatives did - we owe them nothing. I'd like to see this with a "stay" of deportation, that's to say as long as the minor child is under 21 they can be here caring for them. After that, go back home. I'm not looking to punish the offenders as much as making them realize our rules apply to everyone.

 

[Phantasman]

That's been exactly my opinion all of the long, and we could argue that DACA people are culturally Americanized in the first place. They're not going to be responsible for bringing the problems of Mexico to the USA, either. I also feel that it's unfair to blame them for the faults of their parents, but I am still with deporting their parents for circumventing the rules. People will, of course, think that is a cruel idea but I think it's far more cruel to punish people who didn't cheat our system by giving them a free pass. The DACA folks did no wrong, their parents and other relatives did - we owe them nothing. I'd like to see this with a "stay" of deportation, that's to say as long as the minor child is under 21 they can be here caring for them. After that, go back home. I'm not looking to punish the offenders as much as making them realize our rules apply to everyone.

It bothers me when I see legal or illegal immigrants proudly holding up their flags of national origin while trampling Old Glory at the same time. Yes, we all are immigrants one way or another. But to be American is to adopt it's ideology (problems and benefits) by leaving the one that disgraced you behind.

Choose one or the other to pledge allegiance to.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't really want Mexicans here either, personally. I don't know what the craze is with having to bring people from backwater countries is to feel good about yourself, but count me out. It has nothing to do with their skin color, either, that's just a disingenuous comparison. Mexico sucks because comparatively its people cause the problems. Likewise, our problems are ours, and I'd think people in other countries who do not want "our problems" wouldn't find it favorable for us to immigrate to their country either. If you bring people from the violent parts of Africa, the Middle East, or wherever else to here you will get the same result - they will bring all of the things that turned their countries to **** to your country, and turn it to ****. Obviously, this much is just common sense... They're not going to change their cultural norms, beliefs, or lifestyle simply because they moved.

Total nonsense. Crime is statistically lower among immigrants and immigrant communities, and areas with higher immigration and higher numbers of immigrants - regardless of their country of origin - have lower crime rates on average.

Are Immigrants More Likely to Commit Crimes? | Econofact
Segmented Assimilation, Local Context and Determinants of Drug Violence in Miami and San Diego: Does Ethnicity and Immigration Matter?
Sociological Criminology and the Mythology of Hispanic Immigration and Crime on JSTOR
Spatial Heterogeneity in the Effects of Immigration and Diversity on Neighborhood Homicide Rates

Facts trump "common sense" in this case.

 

[metis]

I don't really want Mexicans here either, personally. I don't know what the craze is with having to bring people from backwater countries is to feel good about yourself, but count me out. It has nothing to do with their skin color, either, that's just a disingenuous comparison. Mexico sucks because comparatively its people cause the problems. Likewise, our problems are ours, and I'd think people in other countries who do not want "our problems" wouldn't find it favorable for us to immigrate to their country either. If you bring people from the violent parts of Africa, the Middle East, or wherever else to here you will get the same result - they will bring all of the things that turned their countries to **** to your country, and turn it to ****. Obviously, this much is just common sense... They're not going to change their cultural norms, beliefs, or lifestyle simply because they moved.

I don't, however, feel it's the DACA people's fault that they're here nor that there is a problem having them - they've been Americanized by exposure to our lifestyle. Let their kids stay and deport their parents for breaking the law after the child reaches maturity. But, don't expect me to shed a tear over it either - they knew they were breaking the law, they also knew this was a possibility from the get go and risked their family in the process.

You seem to be totally unaware of the fact that most people who came here fled their own homeland to seek a better life here, and my guess is that at least part of your own ancestry came here from "backwater countries". The reality is that Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, have a lower overall crime rate than the general population here if you'd spend a few minutes actually looking it up.

Trump is, and long as been, a racist, and it seems that you feel that this is all fine and dandy since I see no objections from you but see you strongly supporting him. That's quite "telling".

On top of that, you show no compassion whatsoever for those whom are here, working hard, paying their taxes, going to schools, etc. You're saying "I don't shred a tear over it" is contrary to the teachings of all the major religions and basic humanism. It is also anti-American, such as what we read on the Statue of Liberty. Maybe you think we should tear it down? or maybe just erase that message and have it only referring to allowing "...those not from backwater countries"?

But at least you made it quite clear why you support Trump's racist approach, so I'll give you some credit for at least that.

 

[metis]

It bothers me when I see legal or illegal immigrants proudly holding up their flags of national origin while trampling Old Glory at the same time.

Where have you seen them "trampling Old Glory" here? They're here because they want to be here, so why don't you get that?

My wife is from a very poor area in Italy, what could have easily been called a "backwater" region, and she's proud of her Italian heritage-- but even more so proud to be an American. She's raised the American flag, which represents a country that these "backwater" people have fled to.

And what did Jesus say about the poor and the "stranger"? Did he say "Deport those backwater people!"? IOW, WWJD, Phantasman?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But to be American is to adopt it's ideology

Guess I'm not American then since many of my views are borrowed from European views here and there, and I borrow from Eastern philosophy.
Or, more accurately, America has no single unifying ideology to say "you have to adopt x, y, and z to be American." It never has had any such way of thinking.

 

[jonathan180iq]

To be fair, our whole society is pretty adolescent...

Garbage in - garbage out.

 

[Revoltingest]

The 50s & 60s had much more sophisticated songs.....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To be fair, our whole society is pretty adolescent...

Garbage in - garbage out.

To quote Marilyn Manson: Babble, babble, *****, *****, rebel, rebel, party, party, sex, sex, sex and don't forget the violence. Blah, blah, blah got your lovey dovey, sad and lonely, stick your stupid slogan in, everybody sing along.

 

[jonathan180iq]

To quote Marilyn Manson: Babble, babble, *****, *****, rebel, rebel, party, party, sex, sex, sex and don't forget the violence. Blah, blah, blah got your lovey dovey, sad and lonely, stick your stupid slogan in, everybody sing along.

Exactly...

-Justin Beiber (2010)

 

[LuisDantas]

Is there anyone who was unaware before
the election that Trump lacked a silver tongue?

What an understatement.

Remind me why the answer should not be "the people who voted for him", please?