Schwarzenegger Vows Gay Marriage Bill Veto

[Flappycat]

no, because they were fighting for something that mattered.

Are you saying that our fight doesn't matter? It surely matters to me even if you couldn't care less.

They deserved rights, because the only difference is their skin, or their gender. "Do not judge people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charachter!" i believe MLK said. I'm astounded that you would equate a trivial struggle for marriage, to the same level that these poor people had to endure. African-Americans had pretty much no rights, they were hated and despised, and women were considered 2nd class citizens. Homosexuals are treated exactly the same except for marriage rights.

Way to belittle something that is important to others. Homosexuals are despised in this country, don't you realize that? We're being murdered, beaten, disowned by parents who were supposed to love and treasure us. We're being told that our relationships just aren't good enough to deserve the recognition of the state, and children that we've spent years raising and cherishing from the bottom of our hearts are being taken away from us by the courts. Until a few short years ago, it was illegal for us to even exist in some states. Are you even aware of how badly homosexual boys are picked on in the schools? They're generally the first ones to end up in a garbage bin or bruised beyond recognition. At least one group has even gone out of their way to picket the funerals of those who have been murdered for their sexual preference. In some countries, we're being stoned to death. This isn't just about marriage. It's only a small part of a bigger issue.

 

[jamaesi]

What a drama queen you are Flappy. Sit down and have a beer.

Don’t hold your breath.

You guys love to brand anybody who disagrees with your lifestyle as a hateful, homophobic bigot. That way you can demonize anybody who gets in the way of your agenda.

If you were so confident with the way you lived your lives, all that would be unnecessary. But you’re not so you accuse others of being hateful and worse.

I don’t hate any of you, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you. You’re all so scared and angry. Is that what it means to be gay?

Enough with the personal attacks.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Homosexuals are treated exactly the same except for marriage rights.

Your pompous ignorance is astounding.

 

[Mike182]

You guys love to brand anybody who disagrees with your lifestyle as a hateful, homophobic bigot. That way you can demonize anybody who gets in the way of your agenda.

yes, equality for all is indeed on my agenda, why, what do you wish for this world to achieve?

at what point did i make you out to be hateful and bigoted? i thought this was a civilised discusion room

If you were so confident with the way you lived your lives, all that would be unnecessary. But you’re not so you accuse others of being hateful and worse.

when did i degrade myself, for such harsh and unwarrented criticism about my confidence in my firm foundation and way of life?

I don’t hate any of you, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you. You’re all so scared and angry. Is that what it means to be gay?

what a harsh tongue you have today, no this is not what it means to be gay, but quite simply, you will never know what it does mean to be gay

you feel sorry for me! good for you, i dnot share your feelings of sorrow and misery though, i love my life

C_P

 

[Green Gaia]

You’re all so scared and angry. Is that what it means to be gay?

You cannot even begin to understand what it means to be gay. Are people angry? Yes, and for good reason. Are people scared? Absolutely, and for good reason. But we are also hopeful, we are loving, we are compassionate, we are resilient. You may hurt us with your words and even your actions, but you will not break us or get rid of us. It is I who feel sorry for you that you are happy living in a unjust and unkind world.

 

[Mike182]

Are you even aware of how badly homosexual boys are picked on in the schools? They're generally the first ones to end up in a garbage bin or bruised beyond recognition.

i despise talking about my weaknesses, but in my earlier school life, i had no physical strength with which to defend myself, and i was in this situation on quite a few occasions

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Your pompous ignorance is astounding.

thats how it is in marin. if its not the same way in america, i am sorry for my ignorant statements. But thats the way it is here. I have spent my entire life in an extremeley tolerant community, so thats where i based my views on. I am also sorry if anyone thought that i meant gay rights didn't matter, that was not my intention. I just really dont give a damn about homosexual marriage. i really dont care.

 

[Flappycat]

What a drama queen you are Flappy. Sit down and have a beer.

Just take the offer in post #105 of this thread. This is something that is very important to me. To you, it's a distant and intellectual thing that will never directly affect your way of life, but it's something that stays in my face 100% of the day. Don't you even dare try to play this down. It's an important issue, particularly for someone like me, and the crap you say really is hurtful.

Don’t hold your breath.

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to give up.

You guys love to brand anybody who disagrees with your lifestyle as a hateful, homophobic bigot. That way you can demonize anybody who gets in the way of your agenda.

I'm not trying to demonize you! You're demon enough all on your own!

If you were so confident with the way you lived your lives, all that would be unnecessary. But you’re not so you accuse others of being hateful and worse.

Dr. Theodore, I suggest you try getting your degree before attempting to psycho-anylize someone whom you know nothing about.

I don’t hate any of you, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you. You’re all so scared and angry. Is that what it means to be gay?

You don't feel sorry for anyone. I can't imagine you caring in the least for someone other than yourself. Your attempts to play this down aren't working for me. I'm not trying to manipulate you, Dr. Theodore. I've been quite sincere in this thread. Can you say the same for yourself?

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

You're kidding, right?

Right?

no, i dont think marriage matters at all.

 

[Mike182]

no, i dont think marriage matters at all.

respectfully though, not everyone shares this view

if it matters not to you either way, then whats the harm in supporting our efforts for equality? were not asking you to speak out for us on a big public stage, whilest the audience check how squidgey their tomatoes are, were just asking you to put in a few words to say your behind us on this

C_P

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

i support the fight of equal rights for gays, but i cant see why people are getting so worked up about marriage.

 

[Mike182]

i support the fight of equal rights for gays, but i cant see why people are getting so worked up about marriage.

its not just the marriage cerimoney, its the recognition we have been denied of being an equal group of human beings

 

[Jaymes]

You guys love to brand anybody who disagrees with your lifestyle as a hateful, homophobic bigot. That way you can demonize anybody who gets in the way of your agenda.

Way to over generalize. If someone wants to think it is a sinful horrible thing, fine. But the second someone wants to infringe on my rights is the second they can back the hell up.

If you were so confident with the way you lived your lives, all that would be unnecessary. But you’re not so you accuse others of being hateful and worse.

I'm confident that I love my girlfriend and that there's nothing wrong with our relationship (well, maybe the distance). If it was a problem of confidence, it wouldn't affect an entire population, because there are some very confident people in the gay community.

I don’t hate any of you, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you. You’re all so scared and angry. Is that what it means to be gay?

What it means to be gay...

Scared of getting turned out, disowned, losing friends, losing a job, being paranoid about holding hands in the street...

... and loving someone that just happens to have the same bits as you.

It's different when you have a reason to be scared.

no, i dont think marriage matters at all.

Then don't get married?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

i support the fight of equal rights for gays, but i cant see why people are getting so worked up about marriage.

Your myopia is no excuse.

 

[Flappycat]

i support the fight of equal rights for gays, but i cant see why people are getting so worked up about marriage.

And I can't see you getting so worked up over somebody actually caring about something. Didn't you trouble yourself to type up a post to criticize us for it? Every little issue that the black leaders were fighting for could have been made out to be petty, taken by itself, everything from drinking fountains to seating arrangements on the buses to interracial marriage. It took one "trivial" issue on top of another to drive them to put up a fight. It's not just marriage, man. It's everything from adoption to fighting workplace discrimination to protecting our kids from abuse to being allowed to hold hands in public to marriage to being allowed to open up sex shops to being allowed to work in public schools to making sure that teenaged homosexuals don't have to worry about being beaten up in the schools to getting justice for hate crimes against us to not being driven out of elected office for our sexual orientation to being allowed to donate blood to lesbians being able to get custody of their children after divorcing an abusive man to being able to risk our lives in defense of the nation we love. You took time out of your day to assault our character for comparing our cause to the civil rights movement without taking into account that marriage is only part of the greater issue.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

i'm not getting worked up about anything. i'm just wondering whats the big deal about marriage?

 

[Jaymes]

The 'big deal' about marriage is the rights that go along with marriage.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Your myopia is no excuse.

excuse for what Deut?

 

[Faminedynasty]

Well if you're wondering why marriage is such a big deal, let's set aside the reasonable desire people who love eachother may feel to get married for just a moment and consider it from a legal standpoint. To put it plainly, equal rights under the law, except in regards to __________. Are not equal rights at all. And it is a horrible disgrace that people still believe that it is acceptable to legally discriminate against any group of people, not to mention the general hateration that homosexuals have to deal with all the time.

 

[Flappycat]

excuse for what Deut?

Trivializing something that is important to us.

You said "I'm astounded that you would equate a trivial struggle for marriage, to the same level that these poor people had to endure. African-Americans had pretty much no rights, they were hated and despised, and women were considered 2nd class citizens. Homosexuals are treated exactly the same except for marriage rights." Not only was this entirely wrong, but I found it a little irksome you'd go so far out of your way to drag us through the mud. We weren't just second-class citizens, man: we were felons, deviants, and pedophiles in the eyes of larger society, can't you understand? We're still not even out of the woods as far as that. There are people in this country who'd bring back the sodomy laws with a vengeance if they could get a high enough seat of power. If they weren't so busy trying to rationalize gay marriage out of existence, they'd be campaigning for that. It isn't a single issue.

Even with that, I find it astounding that you'd trivialize the issue of marriage. It's very important for me. You aren't in a position to know because it's not a reality that you will ever have to personally face. It's not a form of discrimination that you yourself are a victim of, so you can never really understand how this affects me. You could at least have the decency to try, though.

Also, the only way that I feel we'll ever get ourselves entirely out of the woods will be to keep a zero tolerance policy for discrimination. Zero tolerance is the only thing that I think will work.