Science can say nothing about existence of God

[paarsurrey]

Science may not say nothing about God, but science revels the beauty of the cosmos and its workings, where as religion can only pretends it knows, with all of its mumbo jumbo.

Science could reveal beauty of the cosmos and its working only because that beauty has been created in things by G-d, science on its own is not concerned with beauty or ugliness of the things.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Science could reveal beauty of the cosmos and its working only because that beauty has been created in things by G-d, science on its own is not concerned with beauty or ugliness of the things.
Regards

Na, can't agree, the universe created itself, as it still is creating, everything that is, that potentially was going to happen was always within the seed of the universe before it came into existence, through the so called big bang.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Na, can't agree, the universe created itself, as it still is creating, everything that is, that potentially was going to happen was always within the seed of the universe before it came into existence, through the so called big bang.

Something not quite right with that....the universe could not create itself if it did not exist prior its existence.....and if were nothing that created the universe, than there must me more to nothing than nothing...

 

[paarsurrey]

Na, can't agree, the universe created itself, as it still is creating, everything that is, that potentially was going to happen was always within the seed of the universe before it came into existence, through the so called big bang.

When did science inject "beauty" in the things? You were to reply to that.
Regards

 

[Noa]

Why do people keep assuming that scientists have any interest in the topic of god? Just because a few celebrity scientists write books on the topic?

The conflict between science and religion is largely manufactured.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why do people keep assuming that scientists have any interest in the topic of god? Just because a few celebrity scientists write books on the topic?

The conflict between science and religion is largely manufactured.

Hmm perhaps because so many use science in arguments against religion/s/?

 

[Noa]

Hmm perhaps because so many use science in arguments against religion/s/?

I actually do not know of many that do.

 

[psychoslice]

Something not quite right with that....the universe could not create itself if it did not exist prior its existence.....and if were nothing that created the universe, than there must me more to nothing than nothing...

But is there really such thing as nothing, the universe was always potentially there, in another form that we cannot ever know of, this is what you call nothing. Its just like a seed, it can stay dormant for a very long time, but the time is right it will grow, just like the universe. I believe that people feel that there must be a god involved because they cannot comprehend the beginning of the universe, but when you bring a god into it, then you have to ask the question, where did god come from if there wasn't anything there, and of course they say that god can do anything, na, that to me is a childish way of seeing it.

 

[leibowde84]

Science requires the exploration of falsifiable claims. The existence of God is not a falsifiable claim. Therefore science can say nothing about it.

Yessir. Science doesn't attempt to speak to God's existence, so we're all good.

 

[leibowde84]

Theism doesn't *have* to entail that, no. Christianity doesn't either. But, the historical trend seems to be this. The more we know about the world through science the less religions make specific concrete claims about the world.

Great point.

 

[McBell]

Hmm perhaps because so many use science in arguments against religion/s/?

If religion would stop attacking science, science would not have to waste time defending itself...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

But is there really such thing as nothing, the universe was always potentially there, in another form that we cannot ever know of, this is what you call nothing. Its just like a seed, it can stay dormant for a very long time, but the time is right it will grow, just like the universe. I believe that people feel that there must be a god involved because they cannot comprehend the beginning of the universe, but when you bring a god into it, then you have to ask the question, where did god come from if there wasn't anything there, and of course they say that god can do anything, na, that to me is a childish way of seeing it.

A rose by any another names smells as sweet....the reality represented by your universal "seed'' that periodically manifests a physical universe and which is represented by other names in other cultures...Allah, God, Tao, Brahman, etc., is still the same reality... Words are only mental concepts to represent a reality...the reality itself is forever on the other side of mental constructions....so I do not understand why people aren't more interested in the reality itself rather than getting caught up in the labels.. Having said that...if enough people want to call it a universal seed..I will happily include in my sig line...

 

[leibowde84]

A rose by any another names smells as sweet....the reality represented by your universal "seed'' that periodically manifests a physical universe and which is represented by other names in other cultures...Allah, God, Tao, Brahman, etc., is still the same reality... Words are only mental concepts to represent a reality...the reality itself is forever on the other side of mental constructions....so I do not understand why people aren't more interested in the reality itself rather than getting caught up in the labels.. Having said that...if enough people want to call it a universal seed..I will happily include in my sig line...

Sounds dirty.

 

[psychoslice]

A rose by any another names smells as sweet....the reality represented by your universal "seed'' that periodically manifests a physical universe and which is represented by other names in other cultures...Allah, God, Tao, Brahman, etc., is still the same reality... Words are only mental concepts to represent a reality...the reality itself is forever on the other side of mental constructions....so I do not understand why people aren't more interested in the reality itself rather than getting caught up in the labels.. Having said that...if enough people want to call it a universal seed..I will happily include in my sig line...

Yea, but you and I can never really know, what I share is my way of seeing it, as you have your way, yes we all label this thing, and that is good, for we as the mind body cannot understand anything beyond the mind.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yea, but you and I can never really know, what I share is my way of seeing it, as you have your way, yes we all label this thing, and that is good, for we as the mind body cannot understand anything beyond the mind.

True...and that is why I am dying to realize that on the other side of the carnal mind...

 

[psychoslice]

True...and that is why I am dying to realize that on the other side of the carnal mind...

And even on the so called other side you will never know, because there is no mind wanting to know, because there is no mind body organism.

 

[leibowde84]

And even on the so called other side you will never know, because there is no mind wanting to know, because there is no mind body organism.

What supporting evidence do you have for that? Or are you just stating a belief as if it were known?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And even on the so called other side you will never know, because there is no mind wanting to know, because there is no mind body organism.

Not so...the minds and bodies of all living creation are still operational.....as it always will be...the carnal mind does not operate completely as a stand alone unit...it interfaces with the collective...

 

[leibowde84]

Not so...the minds and bodies of all living creation are still operational.....as it always will be...the carnal mind does not operate completely as a stand alone unit...it interfaces with the collective...

Supporting evidence? Or just an unsupported assertion?

 

[psychoslice]

What supporting evidence do you have for that? Or are you just stating a belief as if it were known?

Of course I have no evidenced and I always say that no matter what I share, just like everyone else has no true evidence. What I share is from my own inner being, my own experience in consciousness. The mind body organism is just that, an organism, its not who we truly are, that being the Source, or Consciousness, when the organism dies, what continues, nothing, the mind body was always within Consciousness, not the other way around. Just like waves that appear on the ocean, mind bodies also appear in Consciousness, as also everything else. So beyond the mind body is pure Consciousness, or Source, and as I said, there is no mind that needs to know anything.