Unification
Well-Known Member
It's why meditation and a still mind free from thought is possible, yet nothing happens. . . its done with snake oil in the body rather than the real pure oil in the body that really lights the inner lamp.
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Science can say nothing about existence of God
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It's why meditation and a still mind free from thought is possible, yet nothing happens. . . its done with snake oil in the body rather than the real pure oil in the body that really lights the inner lamp.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And so are you. That is exactly the point. You are imagining a supernatural dimension because you have a strong need to believe in it. That is all.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, what new-age snake oil does is to make people more gullible, more needy, and more willing to indulge in guesswork, anything but experience the here and now in an authentic way.
And you're wrong, quite a lot happens when the mind is free from thought. Maybe you should try it sometime.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The other shore
No, just woolly new-age syncretism which misrepresents and misunderstands. Trite and superficial, cosmetic cliche.
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Unification
Well-Known Member
It's "possible" for nothing to happen.
Sure, most receive a little here and a little there during the mind standing still.
You bring up a great point.... pretty much what I'm referring to when you said "indulge in guesswork."
If someone already has preconceived ideas already of what is to them, it will hinder going further and beyond. A clean, clear mind will have no expectations, no assumptions, no guesswork, no preconceived knowledge of what they think already is rather than rid of everything that they think and assume that they know.
Experiencing the present, here and now is wonderful.... but anyone can experience the present authentically yet hold onto their fundamental indulged guesswork at the same time.
Unification
Well-Known Member
You've indulged in the guesswork that it's all of that.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's an observation based on long experience of new-age types, both on and off line.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I have no idea what you are saying....
but I believe in God
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's about the interpretation of meditative states, assuming "God" from an altered state of mind.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I agree, many of the observations on line and off line are deceiving... I won't say that all of them are though.
Define what you feel "new-age" means.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
the altered state is pending.....you just have to continue after your last breath.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Unification
Well-Known Member
Yes, that would be indulgent guesswork... it also would be indulgent guesswork already assuming what "God" is due to having preconceived thoughts. Such as "God" must be a supernatural exoteric deity because religions and definitions say so.
Meditation for me has squashed all of that indulgent guesswork, and has not just placed me in "altered states of mind," but has radically transformed my mind... it's main purpose. A mind becoming the natural goodness that I see in others and becoming how I want the world to become....of goodness, while embracing the here and now.
But ultimately, "God" is just a word. It's a word representing the ability for that nature and character of perfect goodness being latent within human's.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I think it's a word with far too much baggage to be useful here.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
And as one goes down into the rabbit hole of inner reality the term quickly becomes meaningless, much like other terms like "absolute reality", "ultimate reality", "cosmic consciousness" et al. It's all just residual mental fluff regurgitated by the pretentious.
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Well that's fine Dr Evil... it's a given that all atheists refuse to accept there is a state of mind that is free from personality...free from the ego....free from the 'I'...why would you be any different? ....
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Well that's fine Dr Evil... it's a given that all atheists refuse to accept there is a state of mind that is free from personality...free from the ego....free from the 'I'...why would you be any different? ....
Nonsense. There are plenty of atheists who meditate and experience such states. Loads of western Buddhists are atheists for example.
The connection between meditative states and "God" is only in your mind.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
It is not that nothing happens when the heart, soul, mind, and body is united in the non-conceptual love of God, it is just that is it nothing that is visible, nothing that is audible and nothing that is conceptual ....1 Corinthians 2:9 "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him-- The pure oil metaphor of scripture represents absolute submission to God....which results in the wedding of the lover and the beloved....the union...non-duality...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Explain to me again how you and other atheists experience a state of mind free from personality? Btw, the reality represented by God and Nirvana is the same....
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That is merely your opinion/belief, is it not? What makes it more valid than SpinyNorman's? I expect you to respond with it being "the truth", but, again, that would merely be another claim/opinion, would it not?